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MBS MORNING: HVCC Hurting the Housing Recovery?

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"Existing-home sales - including single-family, townhomes, condominiums and co-ops - rose 2.4 percent to a seasonally adjusted annual rate 1 of 4.77 million units in May from a downwardly revised level of 4.66 million units in April, but remained 3.6 percent below the 4.95 million-unit pace in May 2008."

May's increase was the first back-to-back monthly gain since September 2005. Sales of existing homes showed another gain in May, benefiting from favorable affordability conditions and a first-time buyer tax credit, according to the National Association of Realtors®.

Lawrence Yun, NAR chief economist said this:

"First-time buyers also are being drawn off the sidelines by the $8,000 tax credit, which is helping to absorb inventory. However, the increase in sales is less than expected because poor appraisals are stalling transactions. Pending home sales indicated much stronger activity, but some contracts are falling through from faulty valuations that keep buyers from getting a loan."

Yun said the appraisal problem is serious. "Lenders are using appraisers who may not be familiar with a neighborhood, or who compare traditional homes with distressed and discounted sales," he said. "In the past month, stories of appraisal problems have been snowballing from across the country with many contracts falling through at the last moment. There is danger of a delayed housing market recovery and a further rise in foreclosures if the appraisal problems are not quickly corrected."

TOOK LONG ENOUGH....are we not yelling this loud enough?

Plain and Simple: HVCC sucks. Please explain why readers...share your horror stories.

And by the way I am not big fan of the verbiage "using"...would have liked it to read "BEING FORCED TO USE"....besides that...good job Lawrence. From a micro point of view I cant tell you how many emails I have received from borrowers asking if there are any ways around HVCC. My reply: Email Andrew Cuomo.

Off my soapbox now (HVCC is brutal). Moving on...

After the data release, the S&P reflected the "weaker than expected" data and the street's evolving economic outlook. It appears that the marketplace is coming to grips with the fact that WITHOUT A HOUSING RECOVERY U.S ECONOMIC ACTIVITY WILL STAGNATE!!! (I think I am angry today). UGH.

Tests of the S&P's 200 day moving average failed repeatedly...even before the data release weakness was evident as the S&P failed to hold gains over 897 twice (200DMA)...

After early session profit taking weakened TSY prices and increased yields....the worse than expected economic data brought out overseas accounts which helped fuel a rally across the yield curve. The benchmark 2 yr note fell from 1.15 to 1.12 and the yield curve flattened out a few bps as the 10 yr note rallied from 3.69 to 3.63 (which is a key technical resistance/ profit taking level...hint hint)

Prices of "rate sheet influential" mortgage-backs had a slow start to the day. As MG pointed out this AM, prices were down 8 ticks (8/32) and yield spreads were noticeably wider after overnight profit taking on the yield curve forced selling in negatively convex "current coupons" (4.5/5.0 blend). Since 9AM, when TSY yields began to inch lower...MBS bids have incrementally improved. Thank the Fed for this rally people...they are moderating "cheapness" and "richness". As relative value of MBS coupons cheapens (and TSYs start to rally), the Fed makes a noticeable effort to "correct" any MBS weakness. That strategy has led other non-Fed funded MBS buyers to take advantage of bargain basement relative values (kind of..depends on your metric)...adding momentum to any mortgage-backed rallies.

It does indeed appear that the street is skeptical of the perception of a "recovery"...so bullish sentiment in the bond will likely improve heading forward...oh wait...that is totally dependent on the FOMC statement tomorrow! Today's housing data adds some steam to that stance though. We are hopeful that the Fed is aware of housing "issues" (readers please expand upon these issues for the Fed) and that the FOMC statement verbiage will indicate further weakness in housing is expected as mortgage rates have risen.....and HVCC is killing values which is forcing many buyers to reconsider the decision whether or not to buy now or rent (cheaper) while waiting for home prices to stabilize.

Yeh...its official. I am angry this morning. But feeling better as more and more talking heads are discussing housing weakness.

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Rate sheets are pretty much unchanged.Some are worse. Some better. Those that are better are only slightly improved. No huge gains.

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Nice post and 100% agree HVCC sucks, for everyone! I can't remember that last time I had an appraisal come in anywhere close to estimated figure since we started using HVCC, every file has to be reworked even if the LTV was 40% when I turned it in. The best is BofA has their HVCC appraiser come up with a (low) value, then they have an underwriter review it and call for a LARA review on the appraisal, then they cut their own appraised value...nice stuff there...
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I think many others feel your anger with HVCC. The purpose is to improve the quality, but it is doing the opposite. AMC's are looking for the cheapest appraiser to do appraisal to maximize their profit. Thus Yun's comment of using appraisers from different areas.
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I have had instances where an appraiser does the inspection and then disappears. A new order has to be sent to another apprasier and in the meantime my lock os expiring. Have also had appraisals sit in the vendor's QC dept for two weeks. This in addition to shoddy work and low values. HVCC could simply be replaced with sound underwriting and using preferred appraiser lists.
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I hope that Cuomo never sees the political light of day after this semi-criminal act of pushing HVCC. I would hope some enterprising journalist would investigate the money trail leading to Cuomo. The most likely donors into Cuomo's coffers would be the big lenders (who bought themselves the exception to allow them 20% ownership of the AMC's) and the AMC's (who are reaping the huge profits). It's unfortunate that NAR acted with such incompetence in failing to realize the havoc that HVCC would wreak upon the entire real estate industry (until it's too late).
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AQ, it's ok to be angry. Our entire industry should be fired up and contacting their state's attny general, senators, NY Attny General, anyone they can regarding this debacle. Another case of one person thinking they know what's best for our Nation without really having a clue as to the impact of their actions and the unintened consequences. Thank you for keeping this problem on the front burner of MND, anyone who reads this blog knows what hvcc means and just how badly its hurting our recovery.
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I agree that HVCC SUCKS, and is hurting everyone in the process. Good appraisers that have spent years building their client base, can kiss that all good-bye as inexperienced appraisers will take anything, slap it together, and not really have to worry about it coming back on them. Current customers can't refi, sellers can't sell because their value is now even lower, and purchasers are losing contracts. I just had an HVCC appraiser make an $11,500 "market adjustment" to a comp that sold May 15, 2009! Oh, and BTW, the appraisal was completed May 19, 2009, and marked as a stable market! So somehow, in a stable market, a property lost $11,500 in 4 days? That is the kind of crap appraisals HVCC is providing, and there is no one you can talk to you find out what the issue is. Sorry, this was my little venting session.
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How about we sic a reporter on this little nugget and follow it up with some front page stuff about the "recovery" and just how poorly this piece of toilet paper regulation was written and implemented. I dont know anyone, but I get the impression there are some involved here that do.
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First time homebuyer - going through the throes. I know very little about this process and have been learning much along the way. Our offer was accepted the first week of May and we have been waiting on the appraisal ever since. We have no actionable items on the to-do list, it is only a waiting game for us. Have been a fan of zillow since it arrived online and I am finding it uncanny that week after week the 'zestimate' for the home we are looking at would fall...until it hit the same value as our offer. Magically, the zestimate has not descended any further - and all of a sudden our appraisal is ready. How much of a coincidence can this be? It is certainly making me think the appraisal process is crooked. I have also heard of refi's strictly going off of zillow's zestimate - which worries me. Unless I am not giving Zillow enough credit - can it really be that accurate of an indicator?
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If you are in the mortgage industry in New York and you vote for NY Attorney General Quamo in any capacity again you should be dragged out of your office , taken an empty field ,and executed !!!!! (kidding of course) I wont' drag ya !!!!! His office's pressure on FMMA and FREDDIE ( basically blackmail ) has brought the industry to this point . While he lives in his mansion everyday people that qualify for loans even in today's market are loosing due the affect HVCC is having on the quality of appraisals . Appraisers are evaluating defensively now due to the liabilities and possible loss of business involved if they are deemed not conservative enough on values ....
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All I can say is thank god I started shifting my career in a new direction. We are about one year away from the point of no mortgage brokers. There will just be a kucklehead behind a desk who gets 40K a year to push paperwork, with no reguard to if it closes or not. I kept thinking there has to be someone who sees the barn door being slamed shut 2 days after the hourse are gone. But everyone is calling for more rules and more requlations that make no sence at all. The law makers live in la la land, and until someone steps in and says enough is enough. We will keep falling and falling until the big crash and then it's everyman for himself. Bush was the joke and Obama is the punchline.
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We are a small independent banker in NJ. Somehow when we order HVCC appraisals a guy we had to remove from our appraiser panel is getting the bulk of the deals......we couldn't deal with him when he was on our panel overcharging clients and delaying the reports coming in.....forget about value, but I guess he is their cheapest option! It has to go away!
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It is the consumer who needs to lead the charge against HVCC. Calls to Senators and Representatives by consumers who have been hurt by HVCC. Calls to local reporters by consumers who are hurt by this as well. The last people that will be listened to is the mortgage broker community. Some people just do not grasp this concept. Richard, if you have been harmed by this, let your voice be heard. FHA is not under HVCC--at this time. So, an FHA loan will really not apply to the situation.
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Dan makes the comment I have been looking for....if you look at Cuomo's campaign contributions you can see that a large percentage of them came from AMCs or AMCs guised as Real Estate companies. For anyone to think that this was done in the best interest of the consumer is absurd. It is just another case of a group of people with a lot of money buying a politician and implementing their best interest under the guise of consumer protection....the best part is that up until it is too late the consumer truly believes that the politician is a savior and the policy is great....would have been much better off had Fannie and Freddie told Cuomo no more loans in NY.....just my .02 cents....
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Letters to the editor in response to any published articles on HVCC that point out the contributions to Cuomo might be a good place to fight the battle. If someone has a link to that information [make it easy for us] a thread should start, with a sticky, that has the link. No follow-up posts on that thread. Especially, no long winded ones that embellish the 'accomplishments' of certain organizations.
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The 1004MC requirement, on top of HVCC, just adds to the problem. Good uck getting decent numbers on that when you are dealing with custom home construction in a rural area. I think a lot of appraisers still haven't figured out 1004MC and are just taking a raw data dump from MLS. I've had one deal already die a miserable death when that happened. The other issue is some MI company UW guidelines that interpret anything
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Question...last time the 10 year yield was hovering around 3.65, the interest rates were MUCH lower. FHA 30 year, 4.5% with 1/2 point cost...why don't we see the same rates with corresponding points now that the yield has lowered back down? Thank you.
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I remember there use to be a web troll on here who kept advocating that HVCC was going to be "soooo good" for the industry. I wonder where she is at now? Hiding out with Cuomo maybe?
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Steve, great idea about the reporter, but you'd have to find a responsible journalist who would actually report the facts and not slant the coverage to suit a political agenda. Good luck with that.
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HVCC? sounds like some kind of new nasty std
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All apologies to the (very small percentage of) actual Real Estate Agents who care more about their clients than their profits, but in essence, a good portion of the rise and fall of the market can be put square on the shoulders of the Real Estate Agents (with a stern look towards Loan Officers). Although they have the opportunity to play a very crucial part in the home buying business, I wouldn't mind a day where they didn't exist.
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Interesting article! I could go on and on about how upset I am in regards to the appraisal system. As a victom of a bad appraisal, I realise how much this can hurt the loan/refinance process. We have to jump over loops, scramble up more money or kiss the idea of a refinance goodbye because our appraiser didn't know this area and chose comps in a commercial area near busy streets unlike my quiet neighborhood! Erg! I don't understand the system. I like many others must have experienced shockingly low appraisals. I go online to sites such as zillow.com or even bank sites that will estimate your address they come in so much higher than the appraisal I received. How are these comps so different? I was actually told by my bank zillow was a good reference to go by so I was optimistic and then they send in an appraiser that appraised my home for 100k less! HVCC sucks! What can we do about this situation?
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I heard a rumor that Cuomo actually owns a piece of an AMC company. Has anyone else heard that? Now that would make for some good reporting if it could be substantiated.
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Combination of HVCC, higher rates and increasing unemployment killing the housing market (lots of shadow inventory here in CA). I was really disapointed that NAMB did not do more to prevent this from happening. HVCC may (stress may) get modified in 6-12 months but there is no way after 1 month the program will be pulled/changed. Besides lenders are making a little extra on every file (heck lenders are charging 10 bucks to pay with a credit card....and that is the only way to pay), they control the process, and are reducing lock fallout. HVCC is here and just wait until the next round of guidelines hit....you're going to be REAL HAPPY then. Reduced YSP, more disclosures and the all important guarantee that we'll have to provide at application. Good stuff in the pipe for brokers! On side note-this downturn in stocks will help rates and lets hope Bernie says some positive stuff on Wed. I think we're good for 1 more round of sub 5 rates before this party is over.
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Jack, read up on MBS and answer your own question...
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Cliff explain your stance....you sound like you had a bad experience and are grouping everyone into a category with the people that did not do a good job for you...when Independent Loan Officers that do not work for major banks are gone then you and every other consumer will pay a higher price not only to get a loan but every month in interest....I think your staement is a little off base. The LO does not determine the value of a property and only sells products provided to him by Wall Street Investors and the large lending institutions. But what you say is fairly typical consumer sentiment because the typical consumer does not understand the flow of credit and money....it all flows back to Wall Street and the Big Banks....one way or another....there is a great documentary out there to see i think it is called Maxed Out but not sure...I caught it on Showtime one night... Basically we are all working for the man one way or another...
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Bobby, it's not really a bad experience I had or poor service personally. I've been on the sidelines for 6 years waiting for this moment (housing prices coming back down to earth) because it was bound to happen. When I first started looking ('01-'02ish) there were not nearly as many Real Estate Agents than just a few years later. The Real Estate Agents that came about didn't have their (buyer) client's best interest in mind when working and only cared about getting the house sold in order to collect their commission. Regardless of price, regardless of how ridiculous the loan was (which is poor work practice from the LO's), or regardless of the buyers financial situation. If the Agents were doing their job with just an ounce of ethics or morals, there would not have been record amounts of stupid loans which helped drive the house pricing through the stratosphere. This doesn't even touch the Agents pushing potention investors to buy homes in order to re-vamp, then flip at an even more bloated pricetag.
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RED numbers here we come
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From the buyer perspective, HVCC has really bogged down my process. We are supposed to close on June 26th. The appraisal was ordered on May 15th. It still has not been released from review. I am purchasing a new construction in a new phase of an existing development. The new phase has three sections, one from the 280s-390's, ours from the 350's to 550's, and another from the 520's to 850's. Most of the home sales in the past 6 months have been in the lesser priced area, go figure! Our home is one of 10 that have been built since the first of the year. Ours is the largest square footage, second highest sales price, and lowest price per square footage. Unfortunatley all but two homes that could be used as comps (and great comps as well) are too small or not closed yet. Our home is 4400 sqft priced at $109 per sqft. They will not consider the 6 or 7 3400 to 3900 sqft homes that sold over the past few months at $123 to $138 per sq foot. We are at the mercy of their judgement since we have a lack of acceptable comps (total number not price).
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Clifford, the consumer bears none of the responsibility?
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Clifford--I think part of the problem is as an industry (and as a country) we haven't done a good job promoting financial literacy. Study in 2008 on financial literacy found 40,000 students with an average grade of 53%--and this is on stuff as basic as checking savings balancing or how credit card interest works. Most of these kids expect to make $100k plus (part of same study). So when it comes time to make the biggest investment in your life--a home purchase----how many consumers are truly educated enough to even have a clue whether they making a good investment? I am involved with several financial literacy initiatives in my community in the hopes that financial education will help prevent this in the future. Lord knows another goverment watchdog agency won't help. I think many of the realtors and loan officers that remain in business today are the ones who did not get their clients into insane loan products, and still enjoy repeat/referral business from clients who are not financially ruined. Many public service agencies exist that offer first time homebuyers courses--if you have an intense distrust of the free market real estate and mortgage industry--then maybe you should try one of their non-profit homebuying courses so you can have a disinterested third party looking out for your best interest.
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Thanks D. Gomez. You don't know either. Got it.
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Jack...not sure if you mean most recent visit to 3.65 or December
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Everyone needs to pass this along. There are currently 38,000 signatures and counting. Make sure everyone signs. Realtors, Appraisers, Mortgage Professionals, AND Consumers...Hopefully we can make them listen!! www.hvccpetition.com
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Actual Example of HVCC Disaster: Ordered through an AMC website. Appraisal comes in 25k less than ANY sale in neighborhood. The comps used were not even close in age, square footage, room count, etc and not in the same neighborhood. Forget value, the appraisal itself was one of the worst I have ever seen.....Now comes the fun part: I spent 2 weeks fighting with the AMC for another appraisal or a revised appraisal. AMC totally agrees that the appraisal is horrible and they are going to remove the appraiser from the roster. Appraiser finally responds to the request for a revised appraisal. Comps are great and true value is represented. Sounds like a winner right? WRONG! Bank decides that the revised appraisal is far superior but they are going to stick with the lower value and deny the deal. Now an 800 score borrower with a 15% debt ratio is out $400 and denied the ability to save $350/mo. The rate was locked at 4.75% too. I'm losing faith in the entire system.
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Clifford you are playing the victim role to a T. There is enough blame to go around to Realtors, Loan Officers, and yes, even buyers and sellers. You make it sound like Realtors MADE buyers put in high offers, and then Loan Officers MADE buyers take a loan they didn't understand or couldn't afford. Last time I checked, everyone is responsible for their own actions, but I am sure it is a lot easier to blame someone else. Realtors have to do what their customers say, on the buying and selling side. Realtors advise, but the seller is the one who has the final say as to what the final list price is. I talk to Realtors who even currently have sellers that want to list their house $20-$50k over what the Realtor suggests, and the Realtor has to do it. Also, if you were a seller during the boom, and your house is listed at $200k, and you get 10 offers in the first week, with the highest being $225k, and the lowest being $200k, are you going to take the $200k offer to make sure you don't over-inflate the neighborhood values? Of course not. With regards to ridiculous loans being pushed on people, whatever the loan scenario is, the customer has to accept it! These loan programs were made available by big banks, we didn't just make them up. We can't provide anything a lender doesn't give us. If think you are responsible enough to buy a house, you should be responsible enough to know what you can and cannot afford. If I started a loan process with a customer, and they didn't qualify through a conventional loan, then I went over options with them regarding ALT-A loans or sub-prime. I can't speak for everyone, but I did a lot of counseling with my borrowers and set them up for the future on how to improve their credit, and how we can get into a better loan in the near future. Those that listened to me, refinanced into lower rates down the road. Unfortunately, there were some that didn't listen. As I mentioned there is enough blame to go around to every corner of this industry, but it DOES also include buyers and sellers too.
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A.Q. - On June 2nd, closed at 3.64... 5/1 FHA ARM pricing: 3.625% with .397 YSP. Today, same yield, but rate on same program is 4.25%, with .2 YSP. That's 5/8ths lower in rate and a quarter worse on the back end... Sorry if I'm not picking up the 'why' on this. Thank you.
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I believe at,VERY BEST, HVCC is stalling the housing recovery. When you have an AMC charging up to $475 for appraisals that were routinely done for $350---where's the benefit? When you have the AMC paying appraisers $175-$225 for full appraisals--where's the benefit? (When my income goes down 35.71%, I'm concerned) Didn't the Investors have enough guidelines in place to "police" appraisals that accompanied loans? (Absolutely they did and still do!!!) I think their greed and arrogance was the driving force in the ultimate collapse in the US Housing Market. Now the "solution" is put on the backs of Consumers and Brokers alike. To let one AG from New York -that's be Cuomo, (or seemingly so) pull the strings of the whole Nation is absurd. And truly a slap in the face of anyone involved in Real Esate or Lending. t
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Clifford, you sound like "the man" and there diversion techniques. The subject here is HVCC, as discussed not just in this blog, but on many major news outlets today. With similar Ad Hominem, you divert the subject conversations of HVCC, examining political contributions to Cuomo’s campaign, and avenues to put the spotlight on these issues by trying to turn the attention away from those who are really to blame. You are blaming the real estate agents for pushing people into home loans they could not afford? I guess from your comments, the realtors, not the sellers, are to blame for pricing of the homes they are selling. The seller has no responsibility for demanding the highest price they can get for there homes? The buyer has no fault in the home they choose? The lenders are not involved in making risky guidelines and loans available in the 1st place? You definitely have been on the sidelines for 6 years but you forgot all the analysis that has taken place thus far. Catch up. All here know that Money made the rules. And all involved are part of the problem. To focus on one group, the brokers or realtors, as you are doing, is to divert the attention from the real problem. The “money man” built this lending environment knowing it would crash, cashed in during the process, and bet the government-, aka senators and congressmen who cashed in via stock price, lucrative offers, and partial ownership, would bail them out in the end. See any mention of punishment or punitive damages against the major banks for there part in this. Ask yourself why. The governments saying that companies are to big to fail simply means the companies are making to much money for me now so why stop them and how can I keep this wheel turning until the next generation or CEO or Senator/Congressman can worry about it. Please read Bill Berliners column http://www.mortgagenewsdaily.com/mortgage_rates/blog/85704.aspx.
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Please keep writing, calling and emailing everyday to voice your concerns on The Home Valuation Code of Conduct., Diana Olick at RealtyCheck@cnbc.com Has been doing a great job on spelling out the problems on HVCC. Home Valuation Code of Conduct: Fix or Fraud? Posted By:Diana Olick http://www.cnbc.com/id/30521887/ Who will you be contacting? hvcc@namb.org NY Attorney General Andrew Cuomo’s Office: (212) 416-8000, Internet Complaint Federal Housing Finance Agency (FHFA): (866) 796-5595, director@fhfa.gov Fannie Mae: (800) 732-6643 Internet Complaint (new HVCC-specific form) Freddie Mac: (703) 903-2000, Internet Complaint Senators, Representatives and Governors: Click here for contact information
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To all that replied regarding the buyer's faults: Please don't get me wrong here. I fully understand the buyer is the main idiot behind any loan that is signed, but the buyer is HIRING the agent to do the work and INFORM the buyer in their best interest, which was shunned just for profit taking. I think the whole "bail-out" of the housing industry is the worst thing that could possibly happen and if I were the one pulling the strings I'd make everyone that had their fingerprints on the bad mortgages be held accountable, from the buyer, the the agents, the LO's, and the bank that authorized it, but that'll never happen in this day in age.
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memailbox: Ha, quite funny. Yes, the subject here is the HVVC, but this entire conversation wouldn't have come to pass if there wasn't a housing market issue in the first place, which is why I brought up greedy Agents (and yes, stupid home buyers, but the Agents were the ones that were trusted and were supposed to have the knowledge that Frank Ceizyk brought up).
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The best part of the crappy HVCC legislation is the fact the people who are operating these management companies places don't understand the appraisal business because they are not appraisers. Not to mention the fact that Andrew Cuomo's family members are probably running a bunch of these companies. Some of the best appraisers I know are owed thousands of dollars (in an industry where providing credit waqs not common place) and they are worried that as fast as some of these new mgmt companiessprouted up is as fast as they can go out of business. This legislation is a joke just like the politicians who enacted it!
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Jason - I have not, and will not be a victom. I'm a First Time Home Buyer today because I wasn't foolish enough to fall into the trap that the Agents set. I'm just saying they never had the buyers best interest in their mind, they only cared about making a sale regardless of any other aspect and sure as hell didn't think about any consequences. I looked a few times into buying, but all I heard from everyone involved were crappy B.S. loans. So I just waited it out and now I'm come to play since the bubble burst.
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Couldn't agree more Corey.
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Clifford, the part you are missing is that all through the housing boom, it was a Seller's market, and they set the prices, and made the decisions on what to sell their house for. I am not sure what sort of traps Realtors set out there, and i am not really sure what you are even talking about. In the home buying process, there are typically two Realtors involved, one is representing you as the buyer, and one is representing the seller. The seller's agent is trying to get their client as much money for their house as possible, which is their clients best interest. Your agent is (should) be trying to get you the house you want, for the best deal possible, but they also know what will and will not help you get the house you want. If your Realtor knows you are up against competing offers, and that putting in an offer at the asking price isn't going to get you the contract, then they are probably going to advise a higher offer then that, which would help get your contract accepted, but ultimately it is up to the buyer as to what they want to offer. The catch is, that you can't be pissed when your lower offer doesn't get accepted, and your wife is pissed because that is the house she really wanted. I think part of your problem is that you have not gotten a good Realtor what you feel comfortable with, adn you haven't found a good loan officer that is willing to take the time to go over things with you and explain your options. Once you find both of those, your outlook on home buying will change. Best of luck to you. BTW, it is now a BUYER'S market, so you hold the cards, and should be out shopping!!
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Clifford, I am just a consumer so take it for what it is worth, but you mentioned you first looked to buy in 2001. I may be way off, and you may be in one of the worst markets in the world, but from what I am reading, home values in most parts of the country are still higher than thier 2001 value. Even if your area is slightly lower than 2001 value, you would have had 8 years of payments going agaist your principle. I know its hard to get injured from the sidelines, but you'll never get in the endzone either. Since you missed out on a good investment in 01, don't let it happen again. Get off the sidelines and play ball!!!!
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Great point Mike. And remember there is the 8k tax credit you can qualify for as a first time home buyer.
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Ok. What would you all do with this HVCC nightmare? Appraisal came back $15k under purchase price from 7 months ago. We asked for a review and surprisingly, without any notice, received an updated approval from WF giving the value we needed, the LTV we needed, and loan commitment. We scheduled the closing for tomorrow, ordered closing docs and just heard from WF: they made a mistake and the house did not appriase any higher and they can't explain why the commitment was sent out? Now they will not fund the loan! How do I explain THIS to my client one day before closing?
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I have to again agree to a certain extent with Clifford's sentiments. We should have some responsibility to educate consumers about the REALITIES of the marketplace. Just as Matt and Adam educate us about the technical factors that affect interest rates forecasting--anyone with a historical graph of housing values(not from an Option ARM account reps office) could have seen that the housing appreciation numbers didn't make sense. One post above says "realtors have to do whatever their clients want". If that mindset does not change--we are destined to repeat these mistakes again--we never HAVE TO DO whatever a client wants. Another comment says "realtors didn't get people into mortgages they couldn't afford". A New York Times article last year indicated 80% of people got to their mortgage company through a realtor. The average realtor has 3 hours of continuing education in finance every 3 years. If they teamed with a less than reputable LO who could get a loan for any client with a pulse and no down payment, it's easy to see where it was all heading. I was constantly criticized by realtors for being "too conservative". However, my clients are still refinancing and buying because they didn't follow the herd--but I pissed off a lot of realtors during that time. These realtors must have seen the disparity between historical appreciation levels in their neighborhoods and the value increases during the "boom" right? Loan officers must have known that Option ARM loans were really not a good thing for all but the most sophisticated of financial borrowers (I sold ONE of these loans during the boom). Perhaps as an industry we would get more sympathy and less vitriolic persecution by government if the focus of our protests of HVCC had to do more with how as an industry we are taking proactive measures (not imposed by government mandate) to educate mortgage consumers so they don't make the same decisions that have affected the global economy. After all--if this has taught us anything--it is that the CONSUMER is too big to fail.
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Jason - Yeah, I knew it was a sellers market at the time I first started looking. My problem was, I wasn't in a position to purchase at the time or else I would have BEFORE the boom. I was still in the Army and I was watching the housing market anticipating long before I was going to buy to make sure I was going to make a sound investment. I would have gotten in before the worst part of the boom had I not gotten stop-lossed and deployed to Iraq. But all that doesn't matter, I'm not speaking in terms of me personally. I'm speaking in general, and as I said, if the Agents at that time did what they were hired to do (both buyers and sellers agents) and look out for what's best for their clients INSTEAD of looking for personal profit, things would not have gotten so far out of control. Agents DID create traps buy not only showing, but promoting those idiotic loans that anyone with a shred of knowledge (i.e. the Agents, who should have passed on the knowledge but didn't) would not sign in the first place and by pushing the "you have to offer more" scheme. Sure, you may not get the house you love, but what good is it to own that house if you can't afford it?
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Mike - I'm definately buying now and am in contract on a home that was initially (and wrongly) sold for $475,000 when first constructed and the bank accepted my $180,000 offer.
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Frank - I want to say thank you and commend, for being one of the few that "do what's right". Also, being able to see the correlation to what I brought up and what's going on with the HVCC. The greed is still there, the interest of the consumer is still not even on the radar. Appraisers not doing their jobs correct the same way Agents didn't do their jobs right. Hopefully, things will change, and soon.
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Clifford, congratulations on your contract being accepted, and welcome to the joys of home ownership. You must have had bad Realtors, referring you to bad LO's. Since you are in the Army, unless you had 20% down, the only loan that should have even been mentioned to you should have been a VA Loan. Unfortunately, there are a lot of bad realtors out there, as well as a lot of bad LO's, so you are right to be pissed if you were in the situation of them trying to put you in a certain spot. The realtors I work with know not to push any kind of product on a customer they send to me. They aren't a mortgage professional, and should have no input as to what product you should be looking at. Just like I, as a mortgage professional, should have no input as to what they are doing on the realtor side, other then what you qualify for. I think part of the problem is that some realtors like to overstep the realm of knowledge and talk about things that they don't really know about. When you get an LO with no backbone, and a Realtor telling them what to do with the customer, you have problems. I have told Realtors that I am not interested in working with them, because they try to do my job and give the customer bad advice. So, to go back on your original comments about bad Realtors and LO's, I would say you are right to an extent, but it doesn't include all LO's and Realtors. Hopefully with the current market, the rotten apples have been picked off and thrown away. Once again, congrats on the contract, and thank you for serving our country. BTW, I also only did 1 Option ARM loan, and I made the lender take out the minimum payment option.
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Sounds like we are not alone in this appraisal mess! Our home was under contract for 45 days, 1st time home buyer approved for 30 yr fixed at 4.6% - a well qualified doctor. 1st appraisal was accepted as selling price of $315,000. Buyers loan was approved a week before closing, home walk through approved with buyer and seller, 2 days before closing an appraisal review was done, new appraised value dropped $45,000 in less than 7 weeks and 3 days after closing was to be completed. Neither buyer nor seller could meet the new sales price. Sales contract was canceled! Where do we go for answers? Your support is welcome!
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Fannie Mae has set up a complaint email site, PLEASE write and express your views and pass it on to everyone you know. The link is: https://www.ric-surveys.com/se.ashx?s=7205300720F360FC