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Wednesday 2/11…Decent Rally Yesterday in MBS

by Victor Burek -
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Yesterday mortgage backed securities managed to have a decent rally and closed higher by about .375% in discount.  Many lenders repriced yesterday for the better and we should see better rate sheets this morning.  I suspect par 30 year conventional fixed rate mortgages to be anywhere from 4.5% to 5%.  To get a par interest rate you would be required to pay all closing costs and 1 point.  Also, the best rates go to consumers who have higher then a 740 credit score.  If your credit score is lower, you will either take a higher interest rate or pay additional fees to buy the lower rate.  If you are seeking a government loan such as FHA, expect your rate to be at least .25% to .375% higher.  The big not news yesterday was the anticipated announcement from Sec. of Treasury Geithner of the banking rescue plan.  Investors where let down with the lack of any details resulting in the belief that the government does not have a plan yet.  This caused a massive sell off in the equity markets resulting in a flight to quality with investors buying treasuries and mortgage backed securities.  As investors buy mortgage backed securities, it drives their prices higher resulting in lower mortgage rates. 

 

Today we did get the release of trade balance.  Economists where expecting the trade numbers to come in at -$37b, but the number came in slightly worse at -$39.9b but there was really no reaction in the markets to the news.   Later today the treasury department will have another treasury auction of 10yr treasury notes.  The auction yesterday of 3 yr notes was received very well causing treasuries to rally which helped mbs rally as well.  The added supply of treasuries will put pressure on treasuries and mbs to move lower in price which could result in worsening mortgage rates.  Hopefully, this auction will go over well.

 

Currently, mortgage backed securities are unchanged on the day.  After the rally in both treasury and mbs markets, it would not be surprising to see some profit taking today which could result in worse rates later today or tomorrow.   If you need a good indicator today but do not have access to mbs pricing, keep an eye on the 10 yr treasury yield which is currently at 2.80.  If that moves higher, it will probably have a negative effect on mbs which could result in reprices for the worse.  So far this morning, we are holding steady between unchanged on the day to slightly positive.  If things start to move to the worse, I will get back to you with an update.


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TSY and MBS seem disconnected again this morning....what is up with that? I am fearing this auction and trying to get everything locked in before it starts...was hoping for a little bit of a bump...yield on 10 yr is down 10 basis points and no movement in MBS...something has to be looming...
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Started refinancing my loan on Jan 15th and will be closing on Feb 13th. Locked in the rate today 15yr FRM @ 5% with no points. A little worse than what they had on the 15th (4.85%), but still a whole lot better than my 30yr FRM @ 6.75% especially with my closing costs at only $350. I did have a question about credit scores; do lenders just average the 3 they got from me, does one matter more than the other or is it more lender specific? Two of my scores were better than your 740 cut off, but one was slightly worse. Just wondering what kind of impact that had on my rate. Thanks.
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At my company, to be fair to the client, we use the middle of the 3 scores.
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We all use the middle of the three scores. Nothing about being fair. It's the industry standard. bryan- you had 6.75% and are debating over 4.875 & 5%. Don't be greedy over at .125% and lock up that sucker if you are happy. If not pay the difference in price. Shouldn't be more than .25bps. A week ago you were probably praying for that 5%, now that it comes you want better. Stop trying to beat the market and lock it up.
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Locked this morning 30 year refi, 5% even, no points, 1% origination. I'm inclined to think the Fed will get serious about lowering rates in the next few weeks, but after watching rates drift upward the last few weeks just can't take the chance the market doesn't cooperate. Good luck everyone!
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I locked this morning right before I wrote that post. Wasn't trying to be greedy, just wanted to show the impact of floating for the month while my loan was processed.
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Everything here seems to indicate that rates went lower this morning, yet my Refi at Provident went up .25 on the buy down????? I'm sitting at 4.5% with a 1.25 pt buy down. Yesterday at close it was 1pt??? Anybody know what is up with Providents' sheets?
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Jason, It seems that each lendor adusts their rates to meet their needs. It could simply be that they have enough applications to deal with right now. I've been watching wells fargo and they dropped .125% today versus yesterday. They did go up as much as 5.5% last week. I know they have been busy processiing loans from the January dip in rates.
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Hey Jason, Repost for Provident @ 12:47pm (EST) "Repost: 0.125% better to price for all products!"
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I'm a little ticked off at my bank (Citibank). I filed paperwork for a refi. for a 30 year fixed about 3 weeks ago. Initially she said closing would happen by the end of February. On Saturday Jan.31 my mortgage rep. calls me and says I qualify for a "special" rate of 4.875% with 0 points only offered to select applicants at the time. So I locked in with a 15 day lock which is set to expire on Feb.18. My beef is that I have a friend who just happens to be doing a refi with the same bank and locked that same "special" offered rate on the same day as me. Their closing occurred yesterday. I e-mailed my mortgage rep for a reason why I haven't received a closing date yet. She says she is pushing for my loan to be closed. Worse case scenerio is that you go back to float with no penalty to me. Pushing for my loan to be closed!! You have to be one of the lucky ones to have your loan closed?? I thought once you lock the bank WILL close the loan. Excuse me but I know rates could possibly go down over the next few weeks but I thought once you lock in a rate,which I was comfortable with, the bank should be able to close the loan. Everything on my end is taken care of. Is it my problem that the bank has a too many applications to handle. Does anyone know if the bank can just let the rate lock commitment expire and say to me, oh well, looks like you are floating again.
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Just locked at 4.75 + 1 origination point on a straight up 30-year fixed refi, no cash out.
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Bryan, lenders use the middle of your 3 credit scores, so as long as your middle score is above 740, you get best rates.
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10 Year Bond is at 2.74% at 3:15pm. Down .107 for the day. Everyone talks about the relationship between the 10 Year Bond and MBS. MBS should be going down too? Thanks for this great blog. It has been very helpful.
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Great Blog. I locked yesterday on a refi (no cash out) at 4.375% with 1.125 pts. Good Deal???? Just for my info - anyone know about what the best rates were back in Dec/Jan when the 10yr Yield was at 2.2???
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If I may ask, where did you get your 4.375 at? That seems really good when compared to everyone is saying here.
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Bank of America - I had to decide between 4.75 with no points or 4.375 with 1.125 points. I just bought my home 6 months ago and plan to stay at least 5yrs.
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Marc, there is a relationship between mbs and treasuries as they are both fixed income investments. And yes, mbs have managed to eek out some gains today but not as much as treasuries.
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4.75 with no points? Yesterday? And with a big box like BOA? This is what confuses me. My broker says he has several lenders and can offer me the best rate, but the best he could do for me was 5 today - and today's were lower than yesterday. (I have a great credit score and am refinancing a little less than 80% of equity in the house.) Is it state-by-state? Risk-weighted? What accounts for these discrepancies? (BTW, this is more of an academic question for me because I have locked.)
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No idea what accounts for these - perhaps Victor has some thoughts. I am refinancing 90%. The rates at Bank of America dropped twice yesterday so I doubt they were any better today.
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I called BoA over lunch to see what they could do because I currently have my mortgage with them. I am below 80% LTV, no cash out, +750 FICO on a 30 yr fixed and they quoted me 5.125% with 1 pt. However, they said closing times were running 90 days so I was having to pay for a 90 day lock. That may explain the discrepancy in rates between what you were quoted and what others are seeing. I finally pulled the trigger with a local bank at 4.375 with 1.75 pts. That was more than I wanted to spend, but will sleep better tonight now that it is done.
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Cary, what kind of processing fees are you tied into. Like the others, I'm not really seeing this nor is my broker. He's actually wanting me to find out other closing cost besides the 1.125 pts.
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I just locked at 5% with 1% origination and $280 discount fee. I have credit score over 790, and re-financed for 80% of the house value. I thought I can get better rate too, but that is the best I can get from my broker. I am in Oregon. Victor, Is this reasonable?
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I just got off the phone with BOA and was quoted 4.5 with 2.375 pt, and I noticed on the HUD-1 there were at least $1000 in extra bank fees added into the closing costs. We also have FICO 750+ 50% LTV and we are cashing out some cash - they did offer to meet my current lenders rates & points but their fees are definitely higher.
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How Low Can They Go! I'm thinking Much Much Lower. I'm going to hold out until the rates go below 4% before I ReFi
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Is it realistic that the rates will drop further or to what they were in January? I have been watching rates since mid- January but I wasn't committed to my refi amount when rates were the lowest. Now I am feeling that I better lock-in before they shoot up and 4.5% with 1.5 pts is unattainable.
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I don't like buying points and unless the fed does a 180, I don't think we will see rates go back to what they were this summers anytime soon. Below 4% with no points is my target to ReFi!
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Donald, major gamble! Your comments are equivalent to you saying you are going to Vegas this weeked and plan to beat the house. Possible, but not probable. I don't mean to sound rude, but waiting for 4% is crazy. Talk to your lender.
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I don't think Cary specified the exact loan product he's getting his 4.375% at 1.125 points on. It's hard to believe it's a 30-year fixed because BoA has shown 4.75% at 0.875 points or 4.375 at 1.875 points since yesterday afternoon. This is for a $417K loan in CA. The only ways I know of to reduce points at BoA is: 1. Premier Banking Relationship: this might (not guaranteed) waive 0.5 points. 2. Have at least $500K in "investable accounts" at other financial instiutions and commit to bringing some of the funds to BoA: $100K - 0.25 points waived $250K - 0.75 points waived $500K - 0.50 points waived
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BTW, I locked at BoA yesterday (2/10) morning for 30-year FRM with 4.875% at .875 points. This was before the afternoon rate drop. My hope is to reduce the points to .125 through the options I mentioned in my post above.
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I have been floating with USBank (WI) since early January and still can not get 4.75 (0 points) for a standard refi. Since I already paid for the appraisal with them, I kinda reluctant to move to some other lender. But just about any lender in out town is offering better deals with US bank. I am getting ready to loose my appraisal fee and try some other lender (even WellsFargo). Anyone has leads to a better lender in WI (Madison area)? PS: no financial sense for me to have anything above 4.75 (no points); I am surprised that many LO's here don't get that lots of refi's are already sitting on 5.5% or so so we are still sitting here, waiting for that 4.5 magic to happen
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To give you more details - 30yr fixed, 4.375 with 1.125 pts. (credit score >750, 90% LTV) Other costs include $400 application fee (refunded at closing) and $725 of "other lender fees" which I asked and includes appraisal, overnight charges, etc etc that all lenders add in. Everything else is closing costs that are identical for all places that I looked at. GLXPASS - I do have a premier banking relationship but received a letter 1 month ago saying that due to changes at BofA I will no longer have premier banking starting March 09.
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locked in at 5.25 (0 points) rate with my broker. Unless it goes down to 4.7 anywhere in the next 30 days, i'm fine.
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kwik, do you have to pay for closing costs (no points,no discounts) thtanks
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locked at 5.25%, no points, no cost, no fees, cash out, for three step refi for selected existing customer of wells fargo, will readjust to any lower rate until loan funded. can do this again after closing is over, if rates to down further...
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Donald, you are setting unrealistic goals. Let us know what your current mortgage rate is. If you are paying higher then 5.75% for a 30 year fixed, dont hold out for under 4%.
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Victor, do you agree that rates will go up today?
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no, rate sheets that i have seen this morning are slightly better.
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If 4% is unrealistic, then I'm OK either way. if under 4% comes by before this coming fall then all the better.