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Wednesday 12/17…Say Hello to the Best Rates in History

Posted Dec 17 2008, 08:11 AM
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Yesterday the Federal Reserve cut the benchmark fed fund rate to a range, yes a range, of 0% to .25%.  If you have been a reader of the blog, you should know that when the fed cuts or hikes this rate it does not correlate to an automatic reduction or increase of mortgage rates.  One reason being, who didn’t know they where cutting yesterday?  Everyone knew the fed was cutting, the only question was how much so we see the movement in mortgage rates before the announcement.  The bigger factor on days like yesterday is the accompanying statement released.  The statement has a much bigger effect on mortgage rates then anything else.  As a mortgage professional, I couldn’t have asked for a better statement from the fed.  Here is the best part “…over the next few quarters the Federal Reserve will purchase large quantities of agency debt and mortgage-backed securities to provide support to the mortgage and housing markets, and it stands ready to expand its purchases of agency debt and mortgage-backed securities as conditions warrant.”  As a reader, you should know that mortgage rates follow the price of mortgage-backed securities.  As the price of mbs’ go up, the yield, or mortgage rates, goes lower.  Basically, what the fed said in their statement is that they are going to buy a lot of mbs, which will cause the price of them to increase.  As with anything, if you have a lot of buyers the price goes up and if there are very few buyers the price goes down.  The Fed will not purchase all mbs as other investors will also be buying, but the Fed will be a backstop.  If we start to see a sell off which would cause mbs prices to drop, the Fed will step in to buy keeping the price high.   It appears that we are set for an extended period of mortgage rates in the sub 5% range.  At this point, very hard to say how low they will go but expect 30 year fixed rate mortgages under 5% and approaching the middle 4% range. 

Of course, things can change quickly in today’s environment as we are in unchartered waters.  The question I am getting all the time is should we lock or keep floating for a lower rate.  There will always be a risk floating, but everyone closing in January or after should be in the float boat.  The best strategy at this time is to determine when you are closing and lock your rate a few days before hand.   Many readers are hoping to lock at the lowest point of rates, but here is the problem with that strategy.  No one will know what the lowest rate will be until rates move higher.   I was having a conversation with one of my clients the other day, he has a rate in the upper 6’s and due to credit he doesn’t qualify for the best rates but still can get a rate which was lowering his mortgage payment by $600 per month or 20%.   Even if rates got a .25% better for him it would only save him an additional $36 per month so about a 22% reduction in payment.  So, I asked him this question.  If your boss approached you today and said he would give you a 20% pay hike, would you tell him that you want to hold off until you got a 22% hike?  I don’t thing anyone reading this blog would.  So, what this client must consider is should he continue to pay $600 more then he has to each month to hope for a better rate.  I do think 6 months from today, rates will be lower but if he waited 6 months he would have over paid $3600 during that time and maybe or maybe not get a better rate.  And even if he got a .50% lower rate, it will still take several years before he recouped what he lost with the higher payment.  Life happens, his credit could suffer, could lose his job, etc…   I have had clients in the past who wanted to wait, but then life happened to them and they couldn’t refinance.  Maybe there property value went lower due to foreclosures in there area, maybe there employer due to a sagging economy had to cut there position, maybe they cosigned a note for a child but the child feel behind on the payment which would hurt their credit(by the way, that has happened to a couple clients of mine in the past), etc…  In today’s economy things are changing very quickly and you can chase rates for a while but you don’t want to miss the boat.  I would advise all readers, determine a rate that makes sense as far as what it costs and how much you are saving.  Once rates hit that level, lock, close and move on with your life.  Rates can and will go lower, but there is much more room above for rates to go higher then below for rates to go lower.  And keep in mind, LIFE happens, things can change, you could simple forget to make 1 payment to a credit card and your credit could fall and now you don’t qualify.   One month ago, rates where 1% higher then they are now, 2 months ago rates where 1.25% higher then now.  So, as you can see, things can move quickly. 

As I have been typing this blog, we are in rally mode in mbs.  Float boat is sailing, come on board.

 


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on Wed, Dec 17 2008 9:17 AM
Float boat is looking good! Hello rates... you're looking good too!
on Wed, Dec 17 2008 9:30 AM
What about those of us with so-called jumbo-conforming loans? My current rate is 6% on a mortgage in the middle 600s -- about 10k above what the new Fannie/Freddie cap will be in 2009 in my area (D.C.). I know there is money to gain by refinancing but taxes in my area make a refi costly enough that I shouldn't do it more than once. Should I be refinancing before the end of the year -- in anticipation that rates will go up on my kind of loan -- or does it make sense to wait and see how things pan out? If not for the change in conforming limit I would otherwise be inclined to wait... Thanks for the help -- this is a fantastic resource...
on Wed, Dec 17 2008 12:34 PM
DC, if your credit scores are in the middle 600's, you will not be able to refinance to a much lower rate that would make sense. I would advise that you work on your credit, even go through a credit repair service, then refinance. So, i would defintely advise that you wait, we should see similar or lower rates in 2009.
on Wed, Dec 17 2008 12:49 PM
Before you refi, check the market value of your property. It you are in a declining market do you owe more on your mortgage than the property's market value? Read Jack Schlenk Blog, "What is the value of my Property". Jack Schlenk, Certified Appraisal, Real Estate Broker
on Wed, Dec 17 2008 1:02 PM
Hi Victor. Just stumbled across your blog last night...thanks for the informative posts. So we currently have a mortage at 6.5% and want to refinance. Today we could get 5% from our lender if we locked. We'd like to refinance by 1/10/09. Would you recommend floating until then?
on Wed, Dec 17 2008 1:10 PM
KH, you should float, rates now are better then 5%, but that is assuming 720 or higher scores and with you paying costs.
on Wed, Dec 17 2008 1:34 PM
Thanks, Victor. Credit is in the high 700s. I purchased only five months ago, but rates were so volatile that I got stuck @ 6% on a 30yr. Property values haven't declined since then. Today I got quoted 4.75% with 1/8 point on a 20yr. That seems remarkably good for a jumbo. Can I really expect to do better than that?
on Wed, Dec 17 2008 1:41 PM
My house just appraised at $390K. I brought this house 3 month ago, and my current loan is $300K. I am located in Portland, OR and my credit score is in 780 to 790. My current loan interest rate is 6.5% 30 yrs fixed. What rate is good to me to lock if I want a no-cost re-finance deal? Or if I pay cost, what rate should I lock too and how much it will cost me? Please advise.
on Wed, Dec 17 2008 3:41 PM
DC, that is a really good rate for jumbo. I do think in Jan. rates will be lower, but if you lock today, you can forget about your mortgage as you will have an incredible fixed rate. Suikam, if you will keep this home for more then 3 years, pay costs, you will get a lower rate, you should be able to get a rate in the uppers 4's., with no costs uppers 5's
on Wed, Dec 17 2008 3:50 PM
I love this website and have recommended it to several friends. I have a house in a very nice area at MA which the house value did not declined (very little). The remaining loan for this house is $267,000 with rate of 5.25% for 26 yrs to payoff. The property value was appraised by the city for this year is over $900,000 ( I added an addition to the house after I bought it in 2004). Should I look into refinance this property and how many yr fixed should I go for, and how much lower rate I can get now? Should I pay any point and closing cost? Please advise.
on Wed, Dec 17 2008 3:52 PM
I went ahead and locked 4.875% on a 30 yr fixed, closing costs were only $250 plus prepaid interest so if rates really dip I could just refi again. I am only 6 months into a 30 so im not restarting in anyway, i pay extra each month anyways. For every pmt I make between now and refi, it just increases my payback time. Thanks again for the great info,
on Wed, Dec 17 2008 4:36 PM
Thanks for the good information! I locked my refinance loan this morning at 4.875% (with 0.125% points and providentfunding's standard fees). This is much better than the 6.375% I have had since I bought this summer so I am very happy. Even if it rates gets to mid-4s I'll still be quite happy with the large amount of money I've just saved. I note that Provident's rates have just jumped up a lot to 5.25% with my data (with that same 0.125% points!) so I'm glad I had thought through my decision threshold beforehand. I mainly used your site and the following online calculator to guide my decisions: http://www.myfico.com/crediteducation/calculators/Lender-Evaluation.aspx Good luck to everyone else.
on Wed, Dec 17 2008 4:38 PM
Congrats on getting some great rates. Anytime you can lock a rate under 5%, you should be happy. You are welcome.