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Mortgage Rates Move Lower. Discussing FICO Scores

by Victor Burek -
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Mortgage rates are inching lower as prices of mortgage backed securities continue to move higher today.  To remind readers, mortgage rates are set by the trading of mortgage backed securities.  As MBS prices increase lenders are able to offer lower mortgage rates. Contributing to move lower in rates this morning is strength in bonds (like MBS) as stock markets sell off. This weakness began overnight in Asia and Europe and carried over into US trading.   Already this morning, investor demand for safer securities is helping MBS post healthy gains.

The only scheduled report today was the Empire State Manufacturing Survey, which measures the strength of manufacturing around the New York region.  Readings below 0 indicate contracting business conditions while readings above 0 indicate growth.  Recent indications from this survey have pointed towards an easing of the current economic contraction. Last month’s reading rose to -0.55 from -9.41 in June.  Today's numbers not only showed more improvement, but actually turned positive to the tune of 12.08--the best reading since late 2007!   Because this data is relatively low on the spectrum of importance, it has done little to phase stock weakness and bond strength. READ MND STORY

Housing Data is front and center this week, for a breakdown of the entire economic calender  click here

In addition to normally scheduled economic releases, on Wednesday the U.S. Department of Treasury will announce next week's auctions of 2yr, 5yr and 7yr notes.  In recent months the market has reacted more to the actual announcements rather than the auctions themselves.  Though treasuries to not dictate mortgage rates, they are the benchmark for the rest of the fixed income world like MBS.  So if treasuries suffer, MBS generally begin to look overpriced by comparison unless they too weaken in price (higher yield).  It is the different PACE of these movements that accounts for so much historical difference between treasury movements and mortgage rates.  In other words, RELATIVE demand for MBS might increase if treasuries fall as investors look to sacrifice some safety in order to earn a higher yield.  This is why we often see MBS outperform treasuries when both are moving significantly down in price.  There can also be differences in how MBS move even relative to each other since there are three distinct agencies that "turn mortgages into MBS" (securitize): Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and GNMA.  The first two are relatively similar in the sense that they securitize the traditional conforming, conventional loans whereas GNMA securitizes FHA and VA.

Because FHA loans are perceived to have more lenient qualifying standards than Fannie and Freddie, their popularity has rapidly increased.  Even though their guidlines have tightened in concert with the other agencies, many believe FHA's comparatively lax standards not only contributed to meltdown, but given their increased market share, are also inviting unforseen problems in the present market.  During the height of the mortgage boom, FHA had no minimum credit score to qualify.  Borrowers with 500 credit scores were still getting approved for 97% financing of a primary residence.  And even then, Down Payment Assistance programs effectively turned this into 100% financing. 

Though I agree that it was far too easy for people to qualify for an FHA loan throughout 2004 to 2007 (and every other loan for that matter!), it now seems that the pendulum has swung the other way.   Last week, one major lender made it even harder for consumers to qualify for FHA financing by increasing their minimum credit score from 620 to 640.  Typically, when one major lender makes a move like this, it is very common to see additional lenders follow.  Even if some lenders continue to allow 620, this is yet another suggestion that credit scores continue to become more important for borrowers.

If you are considering buying or refinancing a home, make sure you get a copy of your credit report and review it for its accuracy as many have multiple errors.  Each year as a consumer, you can request a free copy of your credit report from each of the credit reporting agencies.   You can contact them via phone to request or on line by visiting www.Experian.com, www.Equifax.com and www.Transunion.com.  Please note, these reports will NOT provide a credit score for free.  Still, simply correcting any errors in your report, or updating balances to reflect more payments can go a long way.  To be absolutely sure of where you stand, you CAN obtain your score from each agency for a small fee. 

Reports from fellow mortgage professionals indicate that mortgage rates are improving.   The par 30 year conventional rate mortgage is now in the 4.875% to 5.125% range for the most qualified consumers.  In order to secure a par interest rate you must have a FICO credit score of 740 or higher, a loan to value at 80% or less and pay all closing costs including one point loan origination/discount/broker fee.   If you are looking to secure FHA financing, expect the rate to be .125% to .25% higher than conventional financing. 

This morning, we are seeing the best mortgage rates of the last several weeks.  Each time rates fall below 5%, they have not remained there for very long.   The last time we saw 4.875%, it was available for all of one day!  This has been a very consistent pattern since early Summer.  As such, I will caution you to not get too greedy.  Can rates move lower?  Absolutely, but there is much more room above for rates to go higher.  In addition, rates move higher much faster than they move lower as lenders are reluctant to pass along lower rates.  If you can lock a rate today under 5%  you might want to take advantage. 


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We are purchasing new construction due to close near end November. Got nervous when rates started rising and locked at 5.75 with no points, but paid one point for a 180 day lock with one float. Now the question is, when to use the float down. Current rate at our credit union is 5.5 for our VA 30 year fixed with 5% down. Chewing nails over whether to grab it or wait for 5.375 or 5.25. Can't believe Sandi got 5.0 with no points on an FHA. Can't find such a deal in Northern Virginia. Any advice out there? Some "predictions" have rates falling by late fall, but no real way to know.
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I need help getting a pay off for a TB&W loan, any suggestions? All the normal ways of getting a pay off have been tried but the transition to B of A servicing the deals is killing me.
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i have a streamline and the current holder of the Note was (is) Taylor bean, i have to wait 2 weeks till B of A has issued there letter to the borrower in order to order my clients pay off.
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Josette, if you take advantage of the float down now, you just guarantteed your self a .25% lower rate, I would suggest that you consider taking that.
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I just purchased a property and closing at the end of September. Should I lock in today? I was offered 5.25% with no points last week. Should I be getting a better deal today? Thanks,
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I read this every day but today is my first question/comment.... We are looking to refinance our mortgage which is around $135,000. We currently have a 30-yr term at 5.75% (with about 28 yrs left). Today we were offered a 30-yr at 5.125% or 20-yr at 5.00% with zero points (just paying regular closing costs of around $1,100). We would really like to do a 20-yr now (would increase our mo pymt by $95) and hopefully be in a position in 2-3 years to re-amortize to a 12-15 yr term, at which point the lower rate would be felt even more (wish we were in a position to do a 15-yr right now but unfortunately we're not). Our loan officer said it really isn't worth it for us to purchase a point since it would take us 5-6 years to recoupe those costs. Just wondering if it may be worth waiting a day or two for rates to possibly trickle down a little more (would love to be under 5.00%)? Our FICO score is just over 800 (somewhere between 805-810). Any thoughts or suggestions??
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I'm looking to refinance in Georgia - anybody do loans in GA?
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Lisa, the currrent rate you have is not to bad, so you can play the float game a little more riskier than someone who has a 6.5% interest rate. Locking today you guarantee yourself a better rate, so keep that in mind. Today a 15 yr fixed rate with paying costs and a point is 4.5%. See if you can afford that payment.
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Victor: Great comments, as always. Just a reminder that consumers should be sure to always get their FICO score from score providers. The best and easiest way to do that is through MYFICO.com. If consumers just get a credit score it will likely be a generic score, often a Vantage Score, which will be of little to no value. We call non-FICO scores "fake-oh" scores. Not shilling, just sayin...
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Thank you for the comment regarding FICO scores. Just wondering...when we got preapproved for our refinance our bank told us what our FICO score was. Is that considered "generic" or is that from a "score provider"? Since we have always had good credit I never really worried about our overall score too much. I just get our credit reports from the 3 companies each year to make sure all is correct and leave it at that.
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Cary, we lend in GA. Lisa, I'd suggest taking the 20 yr loan, & just paying it faster, don't try to refinance it again. Vincent- Yes your quote should be better today. The only FICO score that matters is the one the lender pulls & will use.
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If the stock market continues to go down as it often does in the fall, rate will go lower.
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Cary, if you like send me an email to vburek@866whyross.com and i can refer you to a professional in Ga. Also, Jeff Coon above does loans in Ga, feel free to look up his profile for contact details. I do have a list of professionals that i would highly recommend from each state. Moshe, i agree with you. For rates to move lower, stocks will have to go lower first. Keep in mind, rates today are below 5%, so dont get too greedy and think rates will continue to go lower, more room above for higher rates. thanks to all for your comments, keep em coming.
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Josette, I'm in Northern Va. and locked in 5.25 at the end of June for our first home with FHA. The approval was for 4.75 but the rates had started going up by the time we found something and could lock in. Check with Sarah Pichardo at George Mason Mortgage. They're great people to work with and very fast (I was able to scan and or fax all the information they needed as the closing date approached). Good luck.
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John, thanks for the reference. We wrote our contract in late June but as our credit union has a 90 day free rate lock, we were hoping to ride out the fairly stable rates until the end of August and then lock. Unfortunately, they began rising early this month and scared us into buying the 180 day lock plus float down. We have not yet submitted our finalized contract with all options, so as they have not yet charged us, a switch to another lender may be possible. Not sure. I noticed today they are still being stubborn about dropping the rate down from 5.5.
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Finally am done with it. I was able to lock in a rate this morning @ 5.00% with 0.5 pts + 0.75 for the condo on a 30 year fixed with 10% down. The buy down was from 5.125%. Thank you Victor, Sandi and others for your comments and views. Good Luck to those still floating!