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You Might Be Surprised By What Triggers Credit Bureau Actions

by Glenn Setzer on
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Have you ever had a credit card company suddenly lower your credit line in spite of your sterling payment record?

Have you wondered how every mortgage lender in the world is aware that you have been shopping for a good refinance opportunity? Or why your current mortgagee, the company that didn't spell your name right on last month's statement, is suddenly your new best friend?

The answer is credit "triggers," a highly profitable sideline for all of the big three credit collection bureaus, (and business financial analyst Dun & Bradstreet is also a player) although one of them seems to be exploiting their product with great intensity over the last few years.

Lenders (and others, more about this later) can subscribe to a trigger service with one or more credit bureaus. Depending on the parameters that the subscriber chooses, and there are over a dozen to chose from, it will be instantly notified if there are changes in the credit profile of current customers. These triggers may be employed by subscribers as risk alerts, collections assistance, and more recently as marketing opportunities.

In collections, for example, a triggering event might be a change in a person's or business's credit history such as a payoff of some delinquent debts that might indicate renewed liquidity or information on a new location for a missing debtor.

A risk alert trigger would be one that indicates that a customer is taking on substantial additional debt or begins to exhibit a pattern of late payments or even of minimum payments on a number of accounts. This is the type of trigger that can result in reduced or even closed credit lines or a sudden increase in interest rates.

Triggers have been available to lenders for years although new technology is morphing them into a totally new type of product, one that can be customized by combining a number of parameters and is available to subscribers nearly instantly. Experian permits a lender to submit a list of names (probably from its current portfolio) to be monitored when for credit shopping or can ask that a list of names (not necessarily existing customers) that match a specified profile be generated on a regular basis. Marketing, risk, and retention triggers are now available on a daily, weekly, up to quarterly cycle.

It is in the marketing area that Experian at least has begun to strongly push its trigger products. While the marketing sector has been around for several years, the sales targets have changed and that could be disconcerting, particularly to the consumer shopping for a mortgage loan.

The credit bureaus have provided trigger service to mortgage servicers for some time; and in the throes of the refinancing frenzy this was a popular product. A servicer wanted to know if a customer was seeking additional credit in order to approach him and try to retain the mortgage business themselves through a refinance or to cross-sell other products such as mortgage insurance or credit cards. As the refinancing boom has waned, however, the credit bureaus are now offering the trigger services to all comers. In other words, they are selling mortgage trigger leads.

Experian touts its product on its website thusly: "you can quickly and precisely find credit worthy customers with recent credit activity who are most likely to respond to your specific offer... And who are the kind of credit worthy customers you would like to attract."

In other words, if your mortgage customer is shopping around to refinance, we will alert you so you can take action to retain that business. And we will also notify you if a total stranger who meets your parameters of location, credit score, etc. appears to be seeking financing.

Perhaps the borrower will get a better deal - in the words of the Lending Tree ad - "when banks compete you win." But there are a couple of troubling aspects. First of all, the lender who is initially seeking your business is paying for the credit report that triggers the trigger putting his very own mortgage lead on the open market to be sold as a credit trigger lead for profit to his competitors. Second, it is yet another in the endless examples of how an individual's privacy is ignored every day.

Edward D. Murphy, writing for the Portland Press Herald and Maine Sunday Telegram did an excellent report on this practice in mid-June. He maintains that all three of the big credit bureaus - TransUnion and Equifax in addition to Experian, are selling these kinds of trigger list leads. As stated above, we found only Experian actively marketing the product on line.

Edwards quotes a mortgage broker in Maine who is opposed to the practice of selling these leads as saying that brokers in Maine would typically pay about $15,000 to sign up for the service plus another $10,000 to $12,000 per month for the lists.

The law requires that anyone contacting a consumer from such a lead do so with a firm offer of credit and Experian's website specifies that requirement for lead purchasers. The Edward's article, however, quotes a consumer agency head in Maine as saying the calls to consumers are "more in the nature of fishing expeditions...'tell us what you're looking for and we'll see if we're doing better.'"

We are also unclear as to how the mortgage broker who purchases the lead gets around the Do Not Call regulations that allow very few exemptions but one is a prior relationship between the caller and his target.. Is a borrower's involuntary relationship with the credit bureau enough to satisfy this requirement?

There are also ads online for several companies marketing leads that sound very much as though they must be coming straight from a credit bureau. One of the most visible marketers advertises thusly:

"(Our Products) are ideal for:
  • Automotive lenders
  • Banks
  • Credit card issuers
  • Mortgage and home-equity lenders
  • Retailers

Now you can dramatically increase the response rate to your pre-approved credit offers by reaching consumers at the precise time they actively are shopping for credit. With (our product), you can identify opportunities as they occur and make firm credit offers, as often as daily, to consumers who meet your credit criteria."

One has to figure that these sales leads are available not only to lenders but also to companies who then resell them, probably in smaller packages to those seeking leads.

We will try to get some answers from the credit bureaus about some of these issues.


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Tom Burris
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This is a great mortgage lead source for the 'Bait & Switch' loan officers out there. VERY poor decision by the bureaus to sell this info.
MK
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I want to know if these trigger leads are good or not.
fred
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Is there any specific website where I can can buy these leads?
JT
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They can work, but in some situations, you are basically stealing a loan from someone else. However, if they had done their job right in the first place and given the borrower the best deal, then you would really not be as likely to steal the customer away. In other words, take care of your borrower and you will have nothing to worry about.
derek
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We all know that its not all about the product being sold as it is the way its being sold. A lot of people will use someone else because they were sold and/or dont know any better.
Lisa
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Geesh. This makes me even happier I got rid of all my credit cards! I also got on the "Do not Call" list, and "Opted-Out" (of Consumer Credit Reporting Companies providing my credit file information for firm offers of credit or insurance that are not initiated by me.) Cause I just don't trust 'em. Now I have even further reason not to.
Jeff
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Great article. Another sound reason to consistently monitor ones personal credit bureaus. Unfortunately practices such as these are becoming the norm in an increasingly cut-throat industry that is fighting increased attrition levels by 'crossing the line'.
Andrew
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Trigger leads are really only good for maybe 3 days, if you call them after that or not the first one, your screwed, in FL within a week these leads have been contacted by no less than 8 mortgage brokers. When you take into account 80% of these people are being offered option arms and not being told what they are, its an up hill battle of the borrower being lied to over and over again. Many of these good leads turn to trash because the borrowers feel disgusted after being lied to with opt arms
Carlo
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Get a firm grip on reality. This is a good way for mortgage brokers to get a hold of new leads. It's just fair game and I don't see a problem with it. I buy a lot of it and it works! It's making me a killing so whoever wrote this article is just full of bologna.
Joanne
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This can not last-privacy advocates are all over it right now. In the meantime you can do the following to protect your hard won clients: Prep your customer that they will be getting dozens of calls from boiler room, used car salesman types who will lie to their mother to get a loan. Get 'em hoppin' mad that their privacy has been violated and that there is pending legislation to stop it. Then instruct them to unplug the phone for a week. You won't lose even one loan to a trigger shark.
Joanne
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The issue I have is not only regarding privacy for the individual, but with the backstabbing credit bureaus who charge their clients (brokers) a fortune to buy their product and then turn around and sell them out. The irony here is that the brokers who use triggers will get trigged themselves -a vicious cycle of annoying calls to the borrower is the result and the biggest winner is the credit bureaus laughing their a$$es off at us.
Joanne
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This article states that there may be implied consent on the part of the customer since he/she did authorize a credit pull. This is false. The customer authorizes a credit pull for the purpose of determining credit worthiness with a specific lender. Brokers ignoring DNC will eventually get caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Better save those fat commission checks while you can so you can cover the fines -at $11,000 per call they're pretty steep.
Gaby
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Where can I find a good lead source?
Guillermo
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I wonder what the good folks at the FTC would say about the "Extension of a Business Relationship" between a credit bureau and lenders who DON'T have a prior business relationship with the consumer. Here is a piece they wrote on lead generation companies. Maybe they'll wait until after the election ,).

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/telemarketing/HudsonCookAdvisoryOp.pdf#search=%22ftc%20ebr%22
Mike
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This is yet another scam in our industry that gives this industry such a shaggy rep. Here we are stealing leads from our fellow brokers so our job is easier. This is almost the epitome of sleazenot THE epitomeI'm sure we have not seen that yet. If you do this you are scum no way around it.
JOE
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This is not fair game as Andrew thinks. The lead is mine and I am not the person profiting by the selling of it. I wonder if there is a law suit there? If you want to be fair then the credit bureaus should pay me everytime I pull someones credit. I have worked hard over the years to establish my clientele and I do not appreciate it being stolen by companies( the bureaus) that I am forced to do business. As a mortgage company I should be able to opt out.
Joseph
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The credit reporting companies tell Legislators that this is a benefit for consumers because it fuels competition. However, there's still the concern about lead generation companies selling this information to anyone. It becomes a tool for identity theft. Solution is simple: Institute an OPT-IN requirement. Make the 3 credit repositories fund it. This way, any consumer can be part of it, but they would have to request it. Better than Opt-out because it protects those who don't know.
Roxanna
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The 3 credit agencies are worthless. I work hard to get my customers and I dont like that fact that their personal info is being sold, after being forced to pay for a credit report. The FTC needs to really crack down on the credit agencies.
Drew
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I just recently found out about these so called trigger leads when we switched over from a reporting service to Transunion (direct). This, in my opinion seems like a direct violation of the privacy policy act. How can one's personal information be sold without their authorization? Other companies are scripting calls stating they work with our company and can get the client a better deal. That in and of itself warrants a lawsuit over false claims and I've already spoken to the attorneys.
Douglas
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This is nothing short of insanity! The FTC needs to regulate this. I too work very hard for my clients. The fact that when I am forced to pull and pay for a credit report generates a "trigger lead" for some schlock telemarketer is pathetic and a direct violation of privacy laws. I hope the FTC gets involved soon as this is not in the best interests of consumers.
vantage
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If you are honest with your clients and aren't ripping them off then you should not worry. This is actually doing a service for the end consumer making sure they get the best deal possible. The only ones that suffer are the order taker LO's.
bcp
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Trigger leads work well, except the fact that they say the are exclusive to you and sell them to a million other people. There is lots of fine print that isnt outlined on websites, all in all just get out in the community like a real LO!!
Jon
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Hi I work with a company that sells trigger leads. I see a few concerns here. To be honest you the mortgage industry create the market for us to sell this data. The blame should not be on the credit agencies or the trigger lead sellers completely. If no one was buying these trigger leads then no one would still offer them. Your industry creates the supply and demand for this product and your industry buys them. So stop buying them. That will stop them from selling them.
Milton
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Jon, Your argument makes no sense. If I were a doctor and sold your medical history would you really put blame on the person buying it? Is it really that bad for someone to get a second opinion if they are looking for money? If they don't want to be called they should make sure they are on a no-call list. If they do that and get called anyway they should report the offending party. If I was looking for something I would appreciate several quotes. This is just my opinion.
Mike
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If you work hard for your clients...protect them!!! In Caylex Point on the 1003 it autofills the phone # from the borrowers info section when you pull credit. Well....erase it!!!! before you submit it. That way all the bueru's have is an address to sell, and ripping up mail from your competitors 3 days after you've closed is better than getting that phone call saying they've been called 10 times while they were eating dinner while their file is still in underwriting.
Andrew
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I agree with both sides. I am taking a job in this business using these leads and after refinancing with my guy found out I paid thousands extra in fees because I trusted him. Would not have minded spending a few calls with someone saying lets see what I can do for you. Two sides to this coin.
AS
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I hate the idea of knowing that i am paying for training telemarketers and also paying for credit reports and then finding out that some lazy shmuk that is going to lie to my client to get the lead even though im selling them the best programm for them, but since he or she are liars and or they are not really educated enough to give a solid proposal and will not back it up with a gfe but still play the old game of coming with docs with something totally different. this really sucks.
Basel
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Does leaving the phone number blank on the 1003 prior to pulling credit prevent the bureau from getting your clients phone numbers?
Ron Borg
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As a mortgage broker, the practice offends me. We pick up the tab to run credit checks on clients to qualify them for a loan. The fact that credit was run should not be made public & certainly no one should profit from it. As the CEO for Mortgage123, a mortgage shopping website, I side with my clients (mtge brokers & lenders) that say, "as long as the information is available, why shouldn't I take advantage & offer borrowers a 2nd option? Maybe a law prohibiting more than 1 sale?
DB
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If your an ethical lender who takes care of thier customer a little competition should be no problem.
Tammy
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I just recently found out about this. I was informed by my customer who was very angry he received an offer in the MAIL with all his current personal credit info on it. I urged him to talk to an attorney about it. I totally agree with you Gaby. I inform my customers ahead of time and urge them to opt-out. I think having to OPT-In is a wonderful idea. RATES change everyday so you people stealing loans by purchasing leads is wrong. I build relationships with my customers. Not wam bam thank you deals. Get out of the office and work for them like the rest of us ethical moral loan officers. I have been offered to purchase them many times, I would never do that, even if it was free.
Thomas
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First of all, do any of you realize that this has been going on for years and years and years. There are hundreds of chop shops across the country each housing hundreds of telemarketers claiming to be experienced loan officers who do nothing but call 500 to 1000 trigger leads a day while popping 5 to 10 pills of their choice and smoking three blunts a day. The worse part is that there are usually only ten or so real loan officers who all the loans close under making them a ton of bait and switch money while paying the telemarketing wanabe loan officers 500 dollars a week. These are the people you should be angry with for exploiting the industry the way they do. The credit bureaus are looking for shops like this to sign on, not the responsible banks and brokers that don't need 10 telemarketers for every loan officer to increase their revenue. I can go on and on, but my main point is to stop whining.
Loaner
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Trigger leads are a viable source of interested customers. If you get mad because I can call your client after you have “sold” him or her, then you are not doing your job properly. The reason I like trigger leads is simple, I am better than you. No, I don’t promise the sun and jack the fees and rate at the closing table. I simply get more information from “your client” and provide them with a financial solution, which makes your offer seem childish. Am I a better salesman than you? YES. But the best part is, I don’t have to rely on smoke, mirrors, and snake oil to beat you. I simply perform the job you should have in the first place. I don’t have to tell my clients to unplug the phone or make sure they opt out. I simply provide a superior service, which greatly improves my client’s life, and my competition doesn’t. The privacy issue may cause some concern, but there are many safeguards John & Jane Public can put into place to prevent their info from being distributed and many more measures I must take to remain in compliance. The bottom line is, this is a valuable comparison tool for those seeking mortgages because there are too many order takers in this industry. If there were more people like me, Trigger leads would not be a practical source of lead generation.
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I want to preface3 my comments by saying that I work for a lender that utilizes these trigger leads.  If you are truely concerned about your customer then these leads do not pose a threat to your business.  If you build a good relationship with them and earn their trust then they will not leave you for some to good to be true offer from a telemarketer.  All of these complaints from loan officers claiming they work hard to get their customers are not giving the customer the best option available.  You are concerned that you may not be able to make as much money with overage and origination fees.  This ensures customers are getting the terms available to them based on their qualifications.  I am not saying that you shouldn't charge a premium for exceptional service, if your service is as good as you think then your clients won't consider shopping.  FYI Experian does not use the phone number you enter as the contact for the borrower, they take the phone number that is reported most often by all of the creditors on the borrower's report.

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I work for a data provider. There is obviously misinformation on the loose here. 1. Do Not Call issues...the bureau runs a DNC scrub on the phone numbers. If a consumer with their # on the DNC list applies for a loan, and the trigger purchaser only wants leads with phone numbers, he will not get that consumers information, due to the DNC list. If the trigger purchaser wants mail & phones, he would only be provided with the mailing address of that particular consumer. 2. The name of the lender the consumer was applying with does not appear in the out put of the data. Nor does the amount they are applying for, or the terms they are being offered. It simply out puts name, address, Phone (if not on DNC) and matches to other criteris pre-selected by the trigger purchaser (score, age, no delinquency, etc) 3. "One has to figure that these sales leads are available not only to lenders but also to companies who then resell them, probably in smaller packages to those seeking leads." this is off. These other parties can access the count system, but are no more than a middle man. They purchase the data on behalf of the client. they do not purchase it in advance from the bureau to "resell". They are simply the link between the purchaser and the bureau, and offer their experience and expertise. Basically, a data provider/list broker. The lead is not available to the broker; unless they are dishonest and wish to do some jail time... 4. This data is protected by FCRA guidelines. There is a bureau approval process that each end user of the data must complete before he/she can even purchase the data. Scripts and mail pieces must be approved by the bureau. A Firm offer of credit must be part of the offer. There are plenty of hoops to jump through. If you data company is not requiring you to go through the bureau set-up process, BEWARE. you are either not really buying credit data, or you are breaking the law. 5. OPT OUT information is included on all mail pieces, or provided via phone. Once the consumer opts out with each individual bureau, they will not appear on the trigger list (when applicable) or the credit marketing file, when cut every month.
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Also, the trigger purchase initiates a soft inquiry on the credit report. Soft inquiries are least responsible for lowering your score. The hard inquiry is. The actual APPLICATION & SUBMISSION of said application for credit by the consumer, or late payments.