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Will The Housing Bubble Take the Economy With It?
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So, assuming that John Talbott in his book Sell Now! has established
his case for an actual and vulnerable real estate bubble and
regardless of his reasoning as so what has caused it, where is all of this going?
If you own residential property, maybe even if you don't, you may want
to sit down.
Talbott sees the bubble not so much bursting as unraveling and he sees it happening
on a number of fronts. He sees the biggest threat as adjustable rate
and interest only mortgages coming home to roost. He projects
that $1 trillion in adjustable rate loans will be up for adjustment in 2007
and that homebuyers who could not qualify for a fixed rate of 5.5 percent in
2005 will certainly be unable to qualify at 7 or 8 percent a year or three later.
Therefore, many holders of adjustable rate mortgages will be unable to make
their reconfigured payments, unable to refinance and will have to sell. As more
and more houses come on the market prices will begin to drop and it may not
be possible to sell the property at enough to pay off the mortgage particularly
if the debtor bought with a low down payment loan (and many who are scrambling
to qualify for a house do just that.) Therefore, there will be a snowball effect
as houses stay on the market longer, buyers pull back to see what might happen,
and the inventory is be further expanded by homes that are either given back
to the bank by borrowers in order to prevent foreclosure or are taken by the
lender through legal action.
So, with a glut of houses on the market, prices fall even further. Adding to
this is the author's perception that real estate is not subject to the
usual requirements of supply and demand. That is, he perceives the housing market
as being capable of instantaneously switching from a buyer's to a seller's
market literally overnight with prices changing accordingly
even if no properties have actually changed hands. Inventories can move in a
matter of days from a two to three month supply to a six or eight month supply
if new houses already in the pipeline are completed while sales slow and sellers
need to get out or decide to cash out. Add to this the number of investors who
have gotten into markets where rentals do not support housing prices and will
be waiting to anxious to bail the minute prices start to decline.
So the market is caput. Houses aren't selling, prices are dropping, inventories
are going through the roof. How bad can it get? Really scary stories and very
dire predictions sell books and Talbott, remember, writes best sellers.
First of all, he believes that without the housing boom the economy would have
actually contracted over the last five years. Instead it has relied on two foundations
- housing and government (military) spending - to expand. As the boom ends he
predicts that about one million real estate agents will immediately
become unemployed followed by another million mortgage bankers, appraisers,
title lawyers and mortgage support personnel. Next will be construction, not
only new home but also the renovation business as owners lose the motivation
to improve homes that have declined in value below the original purchase price.
This sector has an immediate impact on building suppliers and manufacturers
and so on and on. He expects that this impact on the economy will be national
and very possibly global.
Talbott predicts a staggering decline in average home prices by city
over the next five to seven years, which would cover the market (and his credibility)
until 2013. He derives this prediction from home prices in 1997 adjusted for
inflation to 2005 dollars and then shows the price decline necessary to return
to those adjusted 1997 figures before "most of this nonsense started."
In fairness, he does not state that prices will actually erode to this extent
but that this is the real price decline required to return to the 1997 price
level which he views as normal.
The big losers, as might be expected, are those communities that have been
the big winners over the last nine years. The top 14 communities are in California
starting with Santa Barbara, San Diego, and Salinas where Talbott states that
prices must decline 58 to nearly 60 percent to return to 1997 levels. Massachusetts,
New York, and Florida are also presumed to be poised for big declines. Of about
130 metropolitan areas for which he provides data, nearly half must see average
prices drop by over 15 percent to reach those earlier levels.
To apply this analysis to your own home, estimate what its market value was
in 1997 and multiply that number by 1.212 to convert to 2005 dollars and adjust
for inflation. Subtract this amount from your homes estimated current value
and divide the difference by the current value.
However, Talbott is quick to point out that even those communities that have
not seen skyrocketing prices could suffer and just because a metropolitan area
has only seen a five or six percent increase since 1997 does not mean that prices
could not ultimately decline 20 or 30 percent as the entire economy shakes out.
He also sees outlying communities, built along the secondary or tertiary circumferential
highways that many cities have been building to be among the first and hardest
hit. As prices drop closer in (and his book was in press before the
recent increase in gas prices) buyers will have less incentive
to take on a long commute to compensate for getting more house.
So what is wrong with this picture? A few things jump out and one is his all-round
condemnation of the adjustable rate mortgage and his certainty that this product
will do much to sink the ship. One thing he fails to take into account is rate
caps. Most ARMs can only move 1.75 to 2.5 points at each adjustment. As it seems
to be the longer term hybrid mortgages such as the 5/1 or 3/1 that he is concentrating
on, (and these are now more popular than the 1-year ARM) another mitigating
factor may be that during the stable period many borrower's incomes have
improved or will and there will be some increase in equity. Also, hybrid ARMs,
some taking as long as seven years to reach a first adjustment, will spread
out the effects of rising interest rates and perhaps even carry those homeowners
into a new cycle of low rates.
He also doesn't place a high value on the non-investment value of a home.
In fact, he seems to view this as a negative. Many homeowners don't view
their homes primarily as an investment but as a shelter or even an emotionally
charged possession. While everyone loves to talk about the killing they are
making in the real estate market, few who are not forced to sell will rush to
cash out their profits.
We are certainly not shilling for John Talbott's book. He makes a credible
case for a lot of his theories yet some appear to be internally inconsistent
(his indictment of Alan Greenspan and the banking industry seem particularly
flawed if one is to assume that Greenspan was promoting ARMs to shift risk while
at the same time placing banks in a critical situation should the market collapse.)
However, if you wish to read the book in its entirety, here is the publisher's
information:
Sell Now! The End of the Housing Bubble; John R. Talbott, 2005, St. Martins
Press. The cover price is $14.95 but it is available at discount booksellers
for $9.95.
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The party is definitely over.
Fasten your seatbelts, and, Bette Davis, the rest is history, it is going to be a bumpy ride.
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| Above Posted By:
need not want
| Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:24:47 EST |
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My job takes me into people homes and the most repeated story is from the elderly, in modest homes. They have savings. They have children in cathedrals with choking mortgages.
They talk of their fear, that monster breathing on the back of their neck. My kids are just waiting for us to die to collect an "entitled" inheritance to pay off their vulgar housing. "I am sick of it all" they say.
One man said,
"my children have already divided my estate, haha....it all goes to charity".
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| Above Posted By:
need not want
| Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:15:39 EST |
| Talbot mentions a possible banking collapse as a worse-case scenerio. He warns that the government doesn't have the resources to bail out more than a few major banks, he predicts a possible depression. Does anyone have any good ideas where to put money now to protect oneself against this possible outcome? |
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| Above Posted By:
Jim
| Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:14:04 EST |
| Reading this stuff was interesting! In general, I don't think there will be a collapse. As they say: the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. All the thesis on the housing market don't talk about gentrification. As I walk down the street, I see quite wealthy people living in VERY modest houses and, thus, they saved their money and will give it to their kids. As interest rates rise, their bank accounts will grow. How does the economy capture these easily earned dollars? |
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| Above Posted By:
MS
| Tue, 27 Jun 2006 23:50:45 EST |
| Here in South Florida the number of condo buildings that are under construction is staggering. The real estate market has come to a screeching halt. So, I ask "who is going to buy these condos"? A crash of a magnitude never seen here is about to unfold. Consider that most of the apts in the buildings going up were sold to speculators planning to flip. That party is over and all those units are also going to be on the market for sale. A tragedy of major proportions is about to unfold....... |
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| Above Posted By:
Carlo
| Sun, 25 Jun 2006 10:36:25 EST |
| It certainly will. US consumers have gotten into a vicious cycle of debt, cashing out on their home equity. Nowadays without home equity to cash out it is going to trigger foreclosures. Interest rates are going up and inflation will arrive as well. There is not another investment vehicle that will move the economy. |
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| Above Posted By:
Keyness
| Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:07:57 EST |
| The one thing we all can count on is greed. Do you really think the lenders will just stand by and watch all of their ARM products slowly slip into default??-Especially when they can MAKE EVEN MORE $$$$ by refinancing the homeowner out of the mess they put him into in the 1st place and into yet another new loan product that will require ANOTHER refi down the road a year or two later. The lender products are genius for making themselves profit up front, on the back end and insuring future refi's. |
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| Above Posted By:
old mtg dude
| Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:28:29 EST |
| I think when home values to median income becomes so out of wack we're in a bubble market. I live in LA and the median home is $508K. Using conservative underwriting standards, you need about $150K in income to support that house. Median income in LA is between 39 and 52K depending on who you talk to. At some point we have to regress to the mean. People who have streched and inflated the 'stated income' loans to get into house over the past few years are going to be in trouble. |
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| Above Posted By:
Phil
| Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:56:16 EST |
| Besides, the banks will allways create new products to counter inflation and housing costs. |
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| Above Posted By:
John
| Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:30:05 EST |
| The party is not over, the market is not collapsing. Seattle is enjoying 22% apreciation right now, and has for 5+ years. True, some areas that have no real reason for their "bubble" will see some market adjustment (Las Vegas, Phoenix), but for the most part the West (best) coast is safe. According to Kipplingers, the Seattle market is ranked a "4" on a scale of 1-10. 1 being most in line with local economy and 10 being most inflated. |
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| Above Posted By:
John
| Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:29:24 EST |
| What is the square root of 25? If you said 5...you're only half right...it could also be -5.
In the same way, the housing bubble could end in two ways. Depression or hyperinflation. Either housing prices will bust, or the dollar will bust (or both). |
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| Above Posted By:
Anonymous
| Thu, 8 Jun 2006 22:04:06 EST |
| The party is over. I've made thousands buying and selling a few houses in the last five years. I'd turn the money over into the next, but now everything has stopped. The peak everyone said is coming has come and I'm stuck paying debt service, taxes, maintence but can't rent it for even half the payment. How smart am I? How many others are in the same boat? See you in 3 years when things get back to normal and I will have learned my lesson on GREED! |
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| Above Posted By:
Dave
| Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:47:35 EST |
| Stupid question, but can't people just refinance these 'resetting' ARMs? I'm sure there's a fee, yes? But on a million+ home, how bad can that be compared to these looming resets? |
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| Above Posted By:
Ed
| Thu, 8 Jun 2006 14:28:24 EST |
| In response to the commentator who said there can't be a crash because "people gotta live somewhere" let me suggest that people CAN sell their vacation homes and investment properties.
Last year my friend spent $15k on a contract for a condo. Her intent was to flip the contract prior to closing. Well, nobody wants a contract for a $300k condo that's got a fair market value of $275. So, rather than close, she plans on walking away from her $15k. And who will buy her investment condo? |
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| Above Posted By:
Glenn
| Thu, 8 Jun 2006 13:56:33 EST |
| I think Talbot is right on the money about housing. The recent run up has been nonsense. |
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| Above Posted By:
Anonymous
| Wed, 7 Jun 2006 13:39:38 EST |
| This book is excellent and his first book lays out a strong case for a crash using lots of charts and data. I don't think much of it is overstated, and his strong opinions about the problems with ARMs are warranted. Although some ARMs adjust slowly, a profound amount of them had little money down, and were second home investments. By the end of the year we're going to see some real problems. Yes, it's true, if you want to stay in your home, and can keep up payments, you will not be a victim. |
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| Above Posted By:
Bob Decker
| Wed, 7 Jun 2006 13:17:33 EST |
Good review.
Regarding the longer term adjustables, the figures are known for exactly how much debt will adjust in the upcoming years, and its a big chunk.
Regarding emotional attachment, emotion won't stop a bank or bring a checking account into balance. And emotions change when people see that their baby is costing them lots of money, especially if it was an extra house as so many of these purchases have been in recent years. |
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| Above Posted By:
Jay
| Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:08:33 EST |
| Short answer: yes...in a blaze of glory. Imagine the savings and loan crisis in Texas multiplied by every state on the coast. |
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| Above Posted By:
anonymous
| Tue, 6 Jun 2006 20:03:34 EST |
| I don't agree with the fact that the ARM market will cause a collapse. People need roofs over their heads, and there are a lot of products and options out there right now.
I do agree with the his theory of without the housing boom the economy would have actually contracted.
Let's be realistic real wages and total income could not have contributed to all the Posches, Benz, and flat screens. |
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| Above Posted By:
Pete
| Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:00:26 EST |
| I don't believe the market is in for a beating like the one that happened here in the 1990's. I am seeing many million plus homes in my neighborhood sell and sell quickly. If people have the money and desire to purchase, homes will still sell. It will take a lot more of what is happening (in small waves) with interest rates, jobs, gas prices and the economy in general for this to become a hurricane! Don't believe everything you read! |
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| Above Posted By:
Long Beach Realtor
| Tue, 6 Jun 2006 18:23:14 EST |
| YES! Real Estate prices have moved steadily upward. So we will see a pull back in pricing. But I believe its temporary. Once the market has a chance to catch up to market adjustments, like gasoline prices, we will see markets back to normal levels again. Including valuations!!!
How long will it take? Anyone knows?? But best guesses are anywhere from 10-14 months. So even the appraisers, mortgage brokers, bankers, and real estate agents will have jobs again!!
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| Above Posted By:
M Workens
| Tue, 6 Jun 2006 17:09:35 EST |
| Well, people gotta have a place to live. Unlike gasoline, people can car pool, drive cars that get better gas milage, etc. But people still want a home, a tax deduction, and the ability to build equity over the long haul. So in my opinion, John needs to get a life!
Aside from the mid 80's, real estate has always averaged about 8% increase in the U.S. Which is about the average of inflation but in a lagging and overlapping effect.
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| Above Posted By:
M Workens
| Tue, 6 Jun 2006 17:05:10 EST |
| The problem with Talbott's scenario is that with government overspending on entitlements and other programs, the country is in an inflationary cycle (that's what Bernanke is fighting). His book seems to imply a deflationary collapse, which could come true only if the government raised marginal tax rates so high (e.g., 90%) that only absolutely necessary transactions took place, and then repudiated NAFTA/GATT and shut down free trade: the same actions that started the Great Depression. |
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| Above Posted By:
Zonie
| Tue, 6 Jun 2006 16:07:04 EST |
| Read the book. Wish I'd have gotten the garbage for $9.95 instead of the $14.95 I spent. |
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| Above Posted By:
Bob Shoemaker
| Tue, 6 Jun 2006 15:29:15 EST |
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