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Zillow May Not Be Ready For Prime Time

by Glenn Setzer on
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We have had a lot of feedback from readers about our first article about the Zillow.com website which was published here during the week of February 12. Nearly all of the writers were extremely negative about Zillow. For example:

"This website is highly inaccurate. The values of the homes are not even close. A house valued at 380K will come back on Zillow as 212K. They have a serious database problem."

"It's a very BASIC GUESS. It cannot 'see' the house (if the house is) damaged by a storm or fire or anything else. It cannot 'see' (if) the property is waterfront or has a spectacular view - or not - and compares (it) to only what's close in proximity - or the property that is gutted on the inside. Hey, it is free so everyone can use it at their own risk. VERY misleading in many areas and only decent for 'cookie cutter' neighborhoods in disclosure states. You can trust it about as much as a pie in the sky."

"Fun with Zillow. Change the year your house was built. For some reason if your house was built in 2000 instead of say, 1956, it is worth a couple of hundred K less. At least mine was. Add a bedroom. 25k less. Two houses. Next door. Same sq footage, yard and house, 200k difference. Suffice to say, needs work. And in the short term will cost some poor sod who has to sell his house and has a bad zestimate a lot of money."

The bottom line seemed to be that readers felt we were much to kind to this new and highly hyped website.

Well you didn't give us a chance to finish.

We tried to give Zillow a lot of leeway as it is a Beta site and is obviously evolving by the day. But there are definitely problems, the most obvious of which is that there is limited data available for much of the country or Zillow utilizes information which seems to bear a poor relationship to actual market value. At a later date, after giving Zillow a little more time to get its act together, we will look at metropolitan areas where Zillow itself rates its performance well and compare its "Zestimates" and home descriptions to listing prices and other information available on real estate websites and newspaper open house ads.

But, even as a Beta site and given that we didn't have a lot of contacts in areas where Zillow gave itself multiple stars for data accuracy and availability, we did find some strange bits of information and data that was certainly not static.

For example, Salt Lake City, Utah showed some very unusual numbers when first checked two weeks ago. A 13 room house in one of the city's better neighborhood was sold by a relative in 1994 for around $320,000. She then bought a luxury condo in a high rise for $260,000. Salt Lake is not Las Vegas. Home values have accelerated lately, but have been flat for many years. When we first checked out the house and the condo last week they had a Zestimate of well over $1.5 million and $1.2 million respectively. Unfortunately we did not print out the information but called someone else who knew the area and who confirmed what we had seen. This person also checked on a nice three bedroom slab ranch she had once owned slightly south of the city and was speechless to see it Zestimated at over $3.7 million.

A week later we rechecked all three of these properties and found that - whoops - there was no Zestimate on any of them and that the assessed values of these homes were a much more realistic at $280,000, $320,000 and $297,000. When we checked again today, all but the slab ranch had completely disappeared from the database.

The most innacurate information on Zillow came from a close suburb of Washington, DC in northern Virginia. There a friend reported that her house and the house directly across the street were both Zestimated at $471,000. My friend's house is a charming four bedroom, 2 bath early 20th Century craftsman style home in pristine condition. The kitchen was remodeled and a family room added some 20+ years ago and both kitchen and family room have all of the bells and whistles. The neighbor's home was gutted and nearly doubled in size at least four years ago. My friend's home is assessed at $692,000 and recent neighborhood sales ranged from $750,000 to $950,000. The house across the street has been valued by realtors at $1.2 million. The Zillow Zestimates bears no relationship to any of the real numbers she provided yet Zillow gives itself four stars for its accuracy in Northern Virginia, states that its data quantity - i.e. the availability of data elements - at "most" and ranks its Zestimates as coming within 10 percent of the actual selling price 70 percent of the time. This was substantially higher than the three stars, "most" and 66% ratings it gives itself in the Boston/New Hampshire/ Connecticut area which we found to be much more accurate.

It is a shame that Zillow came on line before it was ready for prime time. The hype has been incredible - ABC's Good Morning America featured it this week and, as we stated at the beginning, CNN, CNET, Motley Fool, USA Today, Business Week, and dozens of metro newspapers have given it a lot of free air or ink. Many people have visited the site, came away disappointed and may not bother to go back. Better that Zillow had all of their ducks in a row before going public.

There is another website that is threatening to "revolutionize" real estate. While Redfin is geographically limited (to the Seattle area) it offers a new way of eliminating real estate agents from your life. This time the target is the buyer, the method is a sort-of auction, and we will take a look at it this week.


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Anonymous
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Zillow may have its problems now but I think they really are onto something here. I would love to be able to invest in zillow. I see a bright future for them.
Connie
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Zillow was right on on the houses I checked ( within 5%)
angela
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My problem is they only list the tax assessed value for the few properties I searched in NJ. The tax assessed value is totally different than the selling price. The taxes are usually based on 80-90% of the appraised value. I wanted to see the selling price of the area not the taxed assessed values because lets say that the tax assessed value is 164K the appraiser should come in at 205K in normal market conditions but I see assessed values of 164K and aksking prices of $327k that is double.
Patricia Roche
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Interesting comments on Zillow
Tom
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I have been involved in real estate as a banker, buyer etc for over forty five years. Yes, the values are not MAI values, i.e. no one does a visit, measures, checks for upgrades etc. After all what do you want for a NO FEE Estimate of your home. The homes I have checked in my area (San Diego Urban area) are fairly accurate, including my own home. They sure give you much more data, i.e. comps etc. than DiTech.com does. But once again, what do you really expect for having all of this data for FREE?
Mark
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Zillow is not so bad. Like all free services its a way to drive around digitally and get a sense of things. I would not close a loan on a Zillow value because it has its well recognized limitations. The valuable part is you can watch the valuations change as you move across the terra firma, this would give any seller, buyer, investor cause to ask "why" are these numbers jumping around and start the comparative analysis. Confidence in location analysis is highest by personal visit.
Steve Keohane
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Zillow is nothingmore than "fuzzy logic". It uses outdated information, probably from County Comps. It is dangerous because it doesn't catch finished basements, whether a propberty is Oceanside, or even new $150,000-$500,000 additions. I'd consider suing these "fuzzy logic" sites if they don't recommend a licensed appraiser vs relying on their online information when you either buy or sell a home.
Karen
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Who cares what Zillow says my house is worth? I'm using the "comparable houses" site. It is INVALUABLE in determining the value of my home according to ME.
Joe Alika
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Some people are disppointed at Zillow because their houses are overpriced and they are in denial mode. For many parts, Zillow is reasonably accurate. For buyers, Zillow is a huge plus in terms of home buying. I sincerely which Zillow doing well and in the near future, go for IPO and I will buy the stock. It can charge a fee all inquiries and quite profitable.
Paul
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Zillow naysayers need to state their occupation. It seems that realtors have the most to lose from a comprehensive database of home values. For me, as a real estate developer, any form of unbiased price valuation is useful. Most folks viewing Zillow will understand that there are inaccuracies, but overall, I see major changes comming to the real estate sales business because of great sites like Zillow.
Carol
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My home has the information from the tax rolls from over 5 years ago. Since then an additional 500 sq ft with fireplace plus a 720 detached garage has been added. The tax records are correct but zillow never updated. Serious error in valuation of home. Found out as bank was using it for home equity and basic square footage was wrong.
Bob from NoVirginia
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Saw on ABC's GMA yesterday. Checked out the comps in my neighborhood. It would have been useful two years ago when we bought in a hot market. Homebuyers should only consider it as ONE factor in their search for a market value. The range of prices is probably a more valuable indicator than the one price it highlights. The price is only as good as its source data - weak. A walk through my neighborhood would quickly show that the prices would certainly rank differently than Zillow did.
Gene
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Further you have the option to correct any missing or incorrect information. Extremely usefull to keep your property properly listed.
Gene
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Pretty darn close if you ask me. Of course, Zillow does not know I have an upgraded Kitchen or windows. I just did it, how could they know? Come on folks, ease up, be constructive, not destructive.
Gene
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No matter what effort someone makes, there is always folks who are "against it". Find fault with everything. Almost no constructive criticism. Beta, If you don't understand the term Beta, you most likely shouldn't have a computer. My property apraised conservatively at $292,000 30 days ago. Zillow has it at $300k.
Edog
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This is simply a case of change in an industry that is ripe for it. The choice that people need to make is are they fearful of the change or excited by it? Zillow is only a piece of what's coming, but an information revolution of the real estate industry is happening. Do you want to fight it or take advantage of it?
Dave
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I recently visited zillow and found the site to be very well organized and very useful. The zestimates are less than reliable to say the least but in the areas I have searched (SE PA) you can find a lot of informatoin on comparable homes which appear to be actual property transfer amounts to inlclude the home's SF, #of Bedrooms, Baths, etc.. Also the GPS graphics show you exactly where the house is in relation to the target home. I love the site.
Craig Williamson
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Real estate appraisers are always concerned about AVM's and the negative effect they may have on their business. As a real estate appraiser, I have been running a Zillow report every time I do an appraisal. In some instances it has been "in the ballpark". In other instances, it is way off the mark. I just appraised a home for $40,000 which Zillow indicated was worth $74,000. Anyone placing reliance on Zillow in this instance would be in big trouble. I'm resting easier these days.
Dave
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I imagine real estate agents are sabotaging any information they can to influence valuations and keep dropping prices from being apparent right now, similar to influencing Google listings. This site another step in making their high percentages unnecessary to sell or buy a house. I love having all the information agents make you jump through hoops for. Anyone who would count on a Zestimate is nuts, just like anyone who makes a full-price offer on a listed house in a normal market is nuts.
bill
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What exactly is Zillow using to get there grossly inaccurate figures. They seem to largely ignore recent sq. ft. price comps. Will they ever get out of Beta mode - no one will ever pay for access without much greater accuracy.
Gail
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The zestimate doesn't work. Our house has 4 baths while zillow only lists 3.5. In making it a full 4 in the zestimate, the estimated price went down!
Peter
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Even with the problems, Zillow is a useful tool. It should not be relied on in a vacuum, just as you shouldn't solely rely on "comps". I think Zillow will only get better with time...
Congressional aid to member of housing committee
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TO ALL REALTORS OUT THERE. We investigated real estate transactions and found that the buyers agent and the sellers agent are working together to sell properties for the highest value possible regardless of the buyers agent fiduciary duty to get the lowest priced bid. We are working on a bill to stop the use of charging a % value and go to a % free system. Real estate licenses are granted by the gov't and anyone that tries to circumvent this will have their licenses pulled indefinitely.
congressional aid to member of housing committee
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What a fake post. It's "aide" not aid and do you know what the difference is between realtor and real estate agent? Highly doubtful. I could go own but you're a fraud so why bother. There is already a complaint with the FTC concernng zillow. Maybe, zillow will have the link on their site for the faithful to read.
Ron
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Zillow is a JOKE. I just checked my two homes, one is over estimated by $60,000 the other is underestimated by $50,000. Realestateabc.com is much more accurate.
Jon
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I sold my house in February 2007 at a fair market value which is $50K more than Zillow's estimate and it sold in a month. One person tried to lowball me using Zillow's website as a comparable. I laughed and never responded to their offer.
Holly
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A buyer recently referenced Zillow when making an offer on my house.... Zillow doesn't acknowledge I have two houses on one lot - it's missing a whole house! When I try to add any bedrooms or baths the estimate keeps going down... I didn't take the offer.... but Zillow did say my house(s) went up $995 this month.... considering I'm in Palm Beach County.... I'll take it!
viper
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Simply put, Zillow.com is not accurate on statistics that should be concrete and factual. Zillow should not be relied on for sales price info or purchase price info. Why would I say this...well I know for a fact the latest sale price on my property and surrounding properties which have all been reported higher than factual on zillow. My house and surounding houses ranging from 200 to 250k true purchase values have had false zillow purchase values with overestimates of 20 to 50k listed on their site. Sound like a scam...does to me.
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There are two problems with Zillow that I find serious. I won't even elaborate on the comps. we already know that you can't rely on them at all. The second problem could get any realtor in trouble with his license. I went to post a home and typed in the address and loaded the ad, when I was finished and published it the house came up with all my information, and the last realtors information as well as the his photos from before the house was remodeled over a year before. I had no way of removing his information and photos which I don't have the right to use. And he has no right to be advertised on a listing that he doesnt have and he is!! I contacted him about it and he's had the same problem and has not been able to edit or delete listings. There are serious liability issues with this. BE CAREFULL!!