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Influential Proffessor Says US has 'Entered a Depression'

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Richard Posner, an influential law professor at the University of Chicago, believes the United States has entered a depression. The conservative lecturer believes Keynesian-style stimulus would be a better solution to the economics crisis than tax cuts.

Posner acknowledged that "depression" is an ambiguous term, but in the Becker-Posner Blog, a daily commentary he writes with Nobel Laureate Gary Becker, he argued that the current environment fits his own definition: "There is no widely agreed definition of the word, but I would define it as a steep reduction in output that causes or threatens to cause deflation and creates widespread public anxiety and a sense of crisis."

Posner said conservative economists, such as Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke, generally do not like deficit-spending programs that sponsor public works and transfer payments. However, monetary policy has proven inadequate to staving off the recession, he said, which has converted "almost the entire economics profession - virtually overnight - from being Milton Friedman monetarists... to being John Maynard Keynes deficit spenders."

In the current environment, tax cuts won't prove to be a good idea, as extra income will only be used to increase savings, he said. "One of the reasons why the recession has turned into a depression is that Americans have meager savings, most of them in overpriced houses and overpriced stocks, and so they are sensibly reallocating income from consumption to saving."

By contrast, sponsoring infrastructure projects could reduce unemployment, increase worker confidence, and spur a recovery in spending, he said.

"There is a legitimate concern that many of the projects undertaken by the federal government will yield costs in excess of benefits," Posner said. "But the concern is exaggerated, because it ignores the benefits that such projects confer on fighting the depression as distinct from simply improving the nation's transportation system or reducing carbon emissions or buying military equipment to replace what has been lost in the Iraqi and Afghan wars."

Posner said the multiplier effects of a Keynesian plan make it a better option than simply reducing taxes. "The government's expenditure on buying goods and services (a road, a bridge, or whatever) increases output directly, but it also does so indirectly because the company that builds the project with government funds pays its employees and suppliers, and they in turn spend part of the money they receive, further stimulating output," he said.

In addition to being a professor of law, Posner is a judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit in Chicago.

By Patrick McGee and edited by Nancy Girgis
©CEP News Ltd. 2009


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Sounds like the type of view point you would get from a Chicago Law Professor. We are always doomed for history to repeat its self.
on
Agreed, A Chicago law professor is certainly the guy we should all take our economic advice from. I'll stick with Thomas Sowell. This is absolutly the wrong approach. Infrastructure projects, if started today wouldn't produce the desired results for several years due to environmental regulations.
on
I always take my advice from academia, those who cannot do, teach. To me a depression means double digit unemployment across the broad cross section of America NOT concentrated in the outdated manufacturing sector and the heavily hit financial sector. FIX HOUSING and you fix the economy. Fixed rate 4% loans for 30-40 yrs, tax incentives to holders of MBS to allow them to write off prinicipal reductions. No capital gains taxes for 2-3 years on anything. Reduced tax rates on income and corporates taxes along with a heavy cutback in government spending on the Federal, state and local levels is more likely to revive the economy.
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With the economy shedding jobs at 500,000/month, we will be in double digit unemployment by the mid-summer. The current unemployment numbers also do not reflect underemployment and people who have left the workforce. Most economists believe the economy will contact more than 6% in the fourth quarter, and likely more in the first quarter of this year as unemployment and underconsumption take their toll. Most economists avoid the "D" word simply because we're not yet in the 1930s. But a "Depression" is simply a very bad recession, and this is, by all measures, a very bad recession that will likely make the 1981-82 recession look like good times. And it will take more than 4% mortgages to put the millions who have lost their jobs back to work. Folks, it's time to wake up and realize just how bad things are. My only hope is that we'll emerge from this crisis on a sounder footing and move away from the false economic growth of the past three decades that has been fueled by debt and more debt, public and private. The country has been living beyond its means for too long, and the bill is coming due.
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I knew, before to move here, that this country was in his way to self-suicide. Why? Well, I am a thrift person who hate, I said hate, worker's exploitation and over expending and over indulging on the capitalist side. How does anyone talks about the rich gets richer and the poor gets poorer? That's DEPRESSION. The first thing to do, when cutting cost is to put in the street those who earn less...I have seen it. Community cut jobs!!!!!!!!!!. You sure, read it on newspapers. For Whom? Oh, yes...Gardeners, Park Guards, School Cleaning Lady,...,Police, Ambulance,...,etc. Why they don't reduce the salary beginning with the MAYOR of Tampa, she increased her own salary...for to put an example, not that I have any special against her, All of them....politicians and none politicians who let this happen.
on
Here is a good thread adressing fix housing first. http://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/99/topics/26823-any-thoughts-about-this-fix-housing-first-?highlight=
on
In my own mind, no confidence in "The System" will ever be regained unless all the Court's start recognizing all of the fraud perpetuated against homeowners by the Mortgage Companies and their Servicers and start judging these foreclosure cases accordingly. Check out this video http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/133224/Former-Regulator-Clear-Fraud-in-Financial-Crisis----Why-Isn%27t-Anyone-in-Jail?tickers=BAC,WM,CFC,XLF,JPM#comments where former Regulator & Univ. Missouri Prof William Black says that 50% of the Mortgages in existence aren't worth the paper they're written on! The Mortgage Servicer's are getting rich by foreclosing! Look up NY Judge Schack's posted decisions! Go to MSFraud.org and read! We, the people, are getting ripped off just one more time and until the Court's recognize and Judge accordingly, giving the people back their rights over the Corporations, then as far as this American's concerned, there is no system, not for me, and I refuse to participate in the rampant greed our Courts are allowing this Country to be engulfed in.
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It is easy to broadcast bad news. . .in reality, people just need to realize that economies are mostly local. I'm in real estate and I'm not going to price my house based on condos in Miami being sold foreclosed for 50 cents to the dollar. Nationwide. .there is a limited nfluence and I agree to that.. . but don't tell my client that "we maybe" /OR ARE in a depression because you are looking Michigan's P& L's or California's budget for 2009!!
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I believe there were too few people in full realisation that America was in recession as early as November 2007. The facts and details that have caused it are ordinarily considered beyond the average persons thinking. It is thought to be a profesionals job to explain the issues in laymans terms, usually after the event. In that case, most are winging their way from highs and lows in their finances, as they in turn run into the brick wall of recession. If you were of a mind to learn from what the past has caused and the future has in store, without requiring a degree in economics in under 3 hours, please, Google :- "Chris Martenson" and complete the "Crash Course" I'm not advertising this site for profit. I simply believe everyone should understand the realities we choose to avoid by watching some talentless contest on tv, where a relative nobody get their 15 minutes of fame. Isn't it time to break free from the tube and face reality? As an alternative, Copy and paste this http link at the base of this message and scan it into your address bar at the top of your screen. If you don't have the time to commit right now, why not take 10 minutes to watch chapter 15 and 'Bubbles'. I suggest you watch the complete set from the begining though as, they build from a strong foundation for which each section connects. http://www.anglofareast.com/crash_course.php
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What does it matter if we are "officially" in a depression / recession. What ever we are in is not pretty. It is ultimatly up to the people to pull us out. Negativity, pessimism, fear will get us no where. Hold you head up, focus, pay attention and practice extreme opitmism. Work on your credit, optimize your budget, create a savings plan (even if a dollar), and have faith in the american worker. Americans love our reality shows just not living them out everyday.