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House Real Estate Hearings - Prosecution Rests And Defense Steps Up

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After a parade of seven witnesses (plus Full Committee Chair Michael Oxley) who appeared before the House Banking Subcommittee on Housing and Community Opportunity to testify about alleged limitations on competition from Internet competitors by the National Association of Realtors® and its affiliated multiple listing services, the defense got a few words in edgewise.

Geoffrey Lewis, Senior Vice President and Chief Legal Office of RE/MAX International and Pat Vredeycogd-Combs, President-Elect of NAR testified in support of NAR and Realtors in general.


Mr. Lewis presented some of the more original testimony heard at the hearings. Citing the success of his company, he said it still took over ten years for RE/MAX to establish its business models and in spite of the fact that the Internet has accelerated the pace of change other new models cannot complain that their success has been improperly hindered by traditional models. "They suffer more from impatience," he said, than they do from any alleged unfair efforts to thwart them."

"There are virtually no barriers to entry into our industry, the Internet is enabling new business models and there is no evidence that free market forces are being impeded in any way."

Lewis said that it is often overlooked by critics that real estate is a success based business. If a seller does not sell his house or a buyer does not purchase one, their agents receive 0% commission regardless of the time and money invested. Even when a commission is received, it often comes some months after the time or money is expended. "Realtors drill a lot of dry wells."

Both Lewis and Ms. Vredeycogd-Combs cited recent studies that indicate commissions have been trending down - going from 6.1 percent in 1991 to the current average of 5.1 percent. That is not a one percent decrease, Lewis said, but a 16 percent decrease, a level not experienced by many industries over the same period of time.

With the recent housing boom, "many have questioned why commission rates have not come down further. The answer is that agent income has not increased correspondingly. The median gross income for real estate professionals has decreased 6 percent notwithstanding that agents receive no healthcare or retirement benefits. On a net basis, the average agent salary is lower than that of school teachers who receive benefits and work only nine months a year. This is because of the large increase in the number of agents entering the industry. NAR, he said, reported a 26 percent increase in membership over the past two years and a 40 percent increase over the past five years. There are now 2.6 million licensed agents in the U.S., one for every 115 people.

There is little difference between traditional companies and online companies in terms of Internet use, but while the Internet has brought down costs in many industries it has not done so for doctors, accountants, attorney services, landscape contractors or many other businesses including real estate. Industries that are selling commodities (books, airline tickets) have saved but real estate agents are selling unique properties and providing individualized services.

Speaking to MLS, Mr. Lewis said that it was designed as a business-to-business vehicle not a business-to-consumer vehicle. "The idea was that cooperating brokers and agents would work to earn their own customers using their own assets and then share listings via the MLS. The concept is simple: you earn a customer, you get to use the MLS with the customer. The concept is not: you get free access to the MLS and then you use it to advertise the properties of your competitors in order to attract customers." MLS, he commented, is not a public utility.

Mr. Lewis probably made the most cogent arguments of any of those testifying at the hearings. If you can, take the time to read his entire prepared statement at http://financialservices.house.gov/hearings.asp.

Ms. Vredeycogd-Combs's testimony ran to 31 pages, a sizable amount of it directed to answering tangential criticisms of the industry not directly related to the subject of the hearing. It appeared that she was attempting to answer the criticisms directed at the "cockamamie system" of real estate alleged by the Consumer Federation of America and we will balance our later discussion of these charges with her testimony.

Responding directly to remarks from Oxley and in other testimony she said that those who criticize real estate as anti-competitive are over-simplifying the issue by looking at the country as one national market rather than as truly local. The problem with the simplified view, she said, is that it implies that agents in Washington, D.C. are competing with agents in Anchorage, Alaska. Competition should be measured at the local level. She quoted a report from Pennsylvania State University which, based on interviews in twelve local markets, stated that competition within each market is fierce, including competition within individual offices as well as among them.

And commissions, contrary to a monumental misunderstanding that exists, are not set by agents but are independently established by each firm along with the commission splits between the firm and its agents.

Blanch Evans, writing in Realty Times, asked if the "House Subcommittee Agree(s) with Oxley's Realtor Persecution?" She stated that the witnesses "were the same ones who have been making noise all along:" Lending Tree she said "because it's been thwarted from access to MLS (which) it wants to attract consumers to its referral-fee based business model; Aaron Farmer, a broker who insists that it's a service to let consumers use the MLS who don't want to pay for other brokerage services except MLS entry; and Stephen Brobeck the Consumer Federation of America, "who tipped his hand as an Oxley pawn when he outrageously suggested that if state legislatures couldn't provide adequate regulation of the real estate industry, then 'there needs to be a federal role.'"

Evans quoted sub-committee member Maxine Waters, D-California, as challenging the need for a Justice Department lawsuit against NAR saying that DOJ seemed to be the only unhappy party. "She also challenged (Redfin executive) Kelman's assertion that some MLS rules make it difficult for Redfin to do business. People talk, they threaten, so what? They haven't stopped you,' She said." Rep Arthur Davis, D-Alabama, said "I don't see a strong case for Congress to intervene."

Ms. Evans further stated, in a separate column: "It was such an embarrassment for Representative Oxley that he left halfway through the congressional committee hearings he had called for."

So what do you think?

Should NAR and/or local MLS affiliates be required to share information with all comers? Are they guilty of restricting competition?

How effective are discount services? Is anyone aware of any hard numbers regarding the cost to sellers from using full service vs. discount agents?

What is your opinion about the government injecting itself into real estate? How do you think Oxley's concerns shake out compared to current regulatory interest in other industries such as manufacturing or energy?

Are consumers sufficiently informed about rights, services, etc., and can informing them be achieved without bring in federal regulation?

What are commissions in your neck of the woods?

Or any other thoughts you have on the subject.

Please identify yourself as a traditional agent, mortgage officer, discount broker, attorney, regulator or a good old consumer and direct your questions via email to our News @ email address on the following page.



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I agree with JR-Attorney. In the industry as a whole, the realtor is the only one that is self-regulated and it isn't working. Realtors have been allowed to grossly overstep their boundaries in the finance and title end and their overall knowledge is minimal in these areas. They fear no consequences from their own governing body. In this state, the realtor gives a buyer a printout of properties and the borrower is on his own unless he sees one he likes and the seller pays 6% for that.

Above Posted By: Anonymous | Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:10:13 EST

Real Estate is very hard work. You help your clients and you receive a commission. If your client decides to not buy or sell, you don't get paid and you have expenses to pay too. Would you work for free? Why should I pay for the MLS when consumers get for free? This is like you paying for your car and letting me drive it for free. RE agents are para-professional attorneys that specialize in RE. If you think RE agents are expensive, please hire an attorney. That's the way is used to be.

Above Posted By: Todd H. in Seattle | Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:56:51 EST

Most Realtors love what they do "Serve the Public".

Above Posted By: Staten Island Realtor | Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:51:24 EST

There should be stricter regulation by the individul states. More training and requirements and stricter fines would help weed out the bad apples. But there are unpleasent people in all aspects of life. The term Buyer Beware should not have to be taken literally but it does. Last but not least, I work 7 days a week 24 hours a day. This is profession I have chosen and I'm not complaining. But if you divided my income by the hours spent I probably make less than minimum wages.

Above Posted By: Staten Island Realtor | Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:50:40 EST

A shared pool for the Professionals it was developed for. It is a tool that we use to help give the public the service they desire. As far as commissions go. I thought we lived in America. Commissions are brought about by what the market will bear. Their negotiated and thats the important part of the process. If a homeowner does not want to pay 6% he will find someone who will negotiate a more favorable percentage. Yes there are Realtors out there that should not be allowed to practice.

Above Posted By: Staten Island Realtor | Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:42:39 EST

If you think Realtors are overpaid then I would like to see some of you work in our profession for a month or two. Try listing a home and getting it sold. See how when you break down the amount of hours you work that listing, you end up making a very small hourly rate. Nights, weekends, days, holidays .. you're always selling. Need I remind you that commissions are negotiable? In metro NJ/NY we're getting 4% and we're working day and night to move our clients property.

Above Posted By: Greg | Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:51:03 EST

People must remember that realtor commission structures were formed when homes were selling for much less... like 100-200K. So, 6-8K in commissions are tolerable considering the cost of advertising, etc.... Today the same home sells for 400-600K. Is 30K+- really a fair price to pay for services provided? MLS is only thing remaining that props up that commission structure. NAR will defend it's use to the death.... but nothing lasts forever.

Above Posted By: Andrew | Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:25:59 EST

I hear you Tom but part of it is perception. As long as the services charged for are actually provided, no problem. The ones that are not earning that commission are the ones that create the perception of realtors as being part of the problem. Many people do not know what services realtors truly provide because they never receive them. They just pay for them.

Above Posted By: Watchdog | Wed, 6 Sep 2006 08:59:21 EST

As a licensed realtor, I understand the services that are provided, and in many cases, these services are overpriced by traditional real estate commision. Price fixing?. Depending on the homes value and the amount of marketing, agents should commision themselves accordingly. Access to the mls helps consumers by providing better information. I can set my commision structure according to the listing. I do a great deal of online marketing and I build websites that publish our local MLS.

Above Posted By: David | Sat, 2 Sep 2006 05:41:36 EST

I cannot believe the comments that I have read. Does anyone really understand the services that a realtor provides?? As an LO I also want to see the realtor commission stucture protected and do believe that there are "bad apples" in the real estate business. However, I have seen too many homeowners attempt to sell their home themselves, waste time, resources, added stress and then get "screwed" in the end.....It's no wonder that 83-87% of "For Sale By Owners" end up listing their home.

Above Posted By: Tom Giusti | Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:00:08 EST

The fact about MLS's is that the Realtors maintain a complete inside listing that is only available to fellow Realtors. It is an IP address and you need specific information to enter. The MLS here in Portland Metro is owned by Prudential Real Estate Affialiates. That is monopoly. As for commissions of 5% for a listing agent and another slice for the purchaser's, it cost me 8k to sell a 145k home. These people committed fraud against my family and FHA. Nobody will hold them accountable! Help?

Above Posted By: Danielle Von Tungeln | Fri, 1 Sep 2006 01:30:39 EST

Many of the comments enclosed are interesting, in that, they provide other aspects of the arguement not offered before. As an LO, I support the Ethical, Professional, and Fair Realtors and want to protect their commission structure. However, I agree with the issue of Self Reg Ethics structure needing some serious overhauling by the AG! Just because a Realtor might not get paid on one client deal, doesn't mean they aren't getting paid on something else, from somewhere else!!!

Above Posted By: Mtg LO | Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:31:23 EST

The flat fee MLS model is exploding because consumers are asking for alternatives to 6%. Add in excise tax and escrow fees and the cost of selling your home can be over 8% with a traditional realtor! The total avg commission in Europe is 1.5 to 2%..Somehow the agents over there have figured out how to survive on 1.5%...also sellers don't pay 2 realtors to sell their home..just one...what a concept!

Above Posted By: Vern Callero | Wed, 30 Aug 2006 23:23:48 EST

The rates may be dropping in the area of named Realtors, but they are raising here to 7%. So the statement made is incorrect. They need to look at Arkansas.

Above Posted By: Jac | Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:40:03 EST

MLS is a monopoly no different than the phone companies used to have, and the cost of selling a home is far too high in relation to the value of the service provided. Consumers are fed up and want alternatives that provide value! Away with protectionism, MLS must be opened up to innovative new services that take advantage of technology and ideas that can easily reduce the cost of the real estate transaction.

Above Posted By: Steve | Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:58:37 EST

Several of my clients have been financially harmed by unethical Capital R - Realtors. Realtors must be required to adhere to professional ethics, NOT to an ethical code established by themselves (NAR). Self-regulation never works. State Attorneys General need to get involved, licensing requirements need to be severely tightened, and fidelity bonds required. I am considering an action in state supreme court against the local board of realtors for policies that encourage unethical practices.

Above Posted By: JR-Attorney | Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:02:23 EST

95% of realators are under qualified (I am being polite) and vastly over paid. I applaud any effort to limit real estate commissions.

Above Posted By: TOM | Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:15:43 EST


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