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YSP Clarification
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Due to some feedback from our article on the new
GFE and YSP, we wanted to try and clarify things.
Let's preface "mild correction" by admitting that there are
fewer more hotly contested debates among compliance gurus than disclosure of
PFC's and YSP. After working over the years with numerous people who I
consider highly educated regarding compliance (and some of them with ties to
state auditors), I still have yet to see a conclusive argument regarding a uniform
method of selecting PFC's ("prepaid finance charges" that
mortgage brokers must "select" to be included in the APR calculation),
or a uniform method of disclosing YSP (yield spread premium).
So let's clear the air with some facts.
The phrases from the article that are in question are obviously:
"One feature of The Good Faith Estimate is not going to make lenders
and brokers happy. It would require that lender payments to mortgage brokers
(often called Yield
Spread Premiums) be disclosed."
Yes, yes, yes... We know some of you think that YSP payments are already required
to be disclosed fully, and we know that you interpreted this
article as contrary to that long-held-belief. But take a step back, and examine
cold, hard, unyielding, antiseptic, dry, sleep inducing, US Code of Federal
Regulations, Title 24. §3500.7, section C, subsection 1:
"(c) Content of good faith estimate. A good faith estimate consists
of an estimate, as a dollar amount or range, of each charge
which will be listed in section L of the HUD-1 or HUD-1A in accordance with
the instructions set forth in appendix A to this part"
Ok, stay with me here, now we have to figure out what the heck is in section
L of the HUD-1. It's in appendix A of §3500 of the aforementioned
Code of Regulations:
"Section L. Settlement Charges.
For all items except for those paid to and retained by the Lender, the name
of the person or firm ultimately receiving the payment should be shown. In the
case of "no cost" or "no point" loans, the charge to
be paid by the lender to an affiliated or independent service provider should
be shown as P.O.C. (Paid Outside of Closing) and should not be used in computing
totals. Such charges also include indirect payments or back-funded payments
to mortgage brokers that arise from the settlement transaction. When used, "P.O.C."
should be placed in the appropriate lines next to the identified item, not in
the columns themselves.
Lines 808-811 are used to list additional items payable in connection
with the loan."
Ok, now we know we are at least talking about Yield Spread Premium as being
part of Section L of the HUD instructions. And, we already learned that a GFE
"must consist of an estimate as a dollar amount or range of each charge
listed in section L of the HUD-1."
SO, therefore, hence, thus, ergo: YSP is required to be disclosed on the GFE
as a dollar amount or RANGE!
I say again that even the most sagacious of scholars disagree on the topic.
Many broker licensees require a dollar amount on the GFE in order to be "on
the safe side." However, it is clear that is has only been required to
be spelled out in dollars and cents on the HUD and not on the GFE. This is perhaps
first realized by the up-and-coming mortgage broker who obtains his or her FHA
certification in which it is pounded into his or her head that although it was
not required to be disclosed as a dollar amount on conventional loans, it is
required as such on FHA loans.
The intent of the article was to make you aware of the proposed RESPA rule from
Friday, March 14th. We apologize if the gist of this communication was lost
due to wording. In retrospect, the above referenced quote from our article should
have been clearer, that "payments" meant "dollars and cents"
as opposed to simply disclosing the existence and range of those payments.
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Comments (9)
| Why is it that all common sense is thrown out the window when it comes to disclosures, ysp & srp's?
For years, every mortgage broker and lender has been required to hand out what is known as the CHARM booklet to every single applicant. CHARM stands for Consumer Handbook for Adjustable Rate Mortgages. Yes... even if you are applying for a fixed rate mortgage, you're supposed to get one of these booklets. Even though probably 1 out 50 people actually read it. Silly. Like they did ANY good at all - most foreclosures are due to arm's.
The 1st area of confusion is that a Good Faith Estimate looks nothing like a HUD-1. The HUD-1 breaks down what each person in a real estate transactions pays out. The 1st thing I would do is to eliminate the Good Faith Estimate and replace it with a an estimated HUD-1. Now, at closing, at least borrowers will be able to compare their initial HUD-1 that is provided within 3 days of application with the closing HUD-1.
Second, I would make brokers guarantee their fees with the exception of YSP UNLESS the loan is being "locked in" at time of application. If we can lock rates, we surely can manage to lock fees, right?
If the loan is not being locked in at application, then a "capped" YSP should be disclosed to the borrower, along with a short explanation of what YSP is. Example: Your interest rate is not guaranteed at this point. Brokers may receive compensation from lenders and lenders may receive compensation from parties they sell their loans to. The amount of the compensation is directly tied to the interest rate you receive. The range of compensation may be 0% to as high as 4%. Your Lender or Broker guarantees that when your interest rate becomes guaranteed, or "locked in", their compensation will be no greater than ____% of the loan amount, or $__________. This may be negotiable and you may find a lower guarantee by shopping around.
Put that in the estimated HUD-1, a revised HUD-1 upon locking in the loan and a final HUD-1 at closing.
So look... maybe I am missing something here - be free to point that out. But as an owner of a mortgage company, I feel this its not too much for a borrower to be accurately informed. Simple verbiage - non-lawyer speak - can prevent a tremendous amount of confusion. My name is linked to my website - I welcome you to take me up on my offer. |
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| Above Posted By:
Ron Borg
| Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:59:35 EST |
| Disclosing the ysp in whatever fashion is required would be fine, so long as ALL originators are under the same requirements. If brokers are required to display their ysp, then bankers should be required to do exactly the same. lets have a level playing field here and allow the borrowers to compare apples for apples. |
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| Above Posted By:
nancy
| Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:33:10 EST |
| So, this clarifies that "Lenders", typically "Banks", do not have to disclose the "spread" or "vig" that they make, while Brokers do. That is just where I thought this whole thing was going.
I sure wish you would continue and explain what uniform PFC's should be, because I have been asking for twenty years and getting no credible or, quite frankly, coherent answers from the many experts I inquired of. |
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| Above Posted By:
Tom
| Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:21:26 EST |
| Regardless of how the current GFE requirements are interpreted, the big difference with the new GFE is that YSP's will be disclosed as a credit to the borrower. The originator then has to charge a "Mortgage Broker Fee" to get paid. I think this will just lead to more confusion for the consumer. |
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| Above Posted By:
GT
| Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:38:54 EST |
| Interesting, but here in FLORIDA, since 10-1-2007, by LAW, the exact YSP must be disclosed to the penny and if it changes by a penny it must be redisclosed 3 days prior to closing. END OF DISCUSSION! |
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| Above Posted By:
Axci Dent
| Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:23:51 EST |
| Thank you for taking the time to tell it like it is. |
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| Above Posted By:
Joan Elflein
| Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:12:32 EST |
| It appears that HUD does not have authority to enforce any part of the GFE - something which it is now seeking. This would seem to make any disclosure of YSP non-existent or at least irrelevant. |
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| Above Posted By:
anonymous
| Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:10:52 EST |
| So to be clear - mortgage brokers must disclose their profit on a loan, regardless of source, to be in compliance with the HUD rules. Mortgage banks do NOT have to disclose their profit on individual loans. And this will allow consumers to get the lowest cost loans? And they managed to test this theory how? |
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| Above Posted By:
Jerry
| Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:28:55 EST |
| I was thinking the same thing when I read the comments: it's all about how you interpret the code, BUT it certainly allow for a range (YSP 0-3%), etc... I too have worked for brokers that require full disclosure, but only as an exercise in over-compliance.
If the original article was worded a little more clearly and if it had the same supporting clips that the current article has, I don't think there could have been any doubt as to what was being said. Many loan officers are very defensive about compliance issues. If they believe they are required to do things a certain way, they will defend that very aggressively. |
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| Above Posted By:
anonymous
| Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:35:40 EST |
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